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Apr 24, 2012 9:36 AM
Con_Alma;1151296 wrote:???

What? Te last thing I want is something to control my life. I make things ok in the end and I do that by choosing to accept Christ. Someone or something else doesn't control my life.

This decisions doesn't come from weakness but desire.
God mostly certainly controls your life. Go lie to your parents, can't. Talk about another god, can't. You have rules to follow by, rules in which you don't follow you will not get rewarded.

It also means when something bad happens, you have a blanket of comfort that it was part of God's plan, so God knows what he is doing. It's a way to cope with life's ups and downs. It's akin to telling your kids cancer is Captain Hook inside you and Peter Pan will come rescue you! It's a lie, but it will give your kid a delusional view to help them cope.

Go ahead and ruin the intellectual integrity of your own kin, but keep it out of the government and keep it out of my life.
Apr 24, 2012 9:36am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:38 AM
fish82;1151387 wrote:LOL...I'd hate to see you tear a rotator cuff with a reach like that, bro. :rolleyes:
If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.

Not a difficult concept.
Apr 24, 2012 9:38am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:40 AM
sleeper;1151383 wrote:God created all creepy things that crawleth etc. He does talk about creating animals. Same with Noah. It wasn't just Noah on the Ark, it was him and 60 million animals, which is totally factually according to jmog. Which is hilarious.
The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.
Apr 24, 2012 9:40am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:40 AM
fish82;1151387 wrote:LOL...I'd hate to see you tear a rotator cuff with a reach like that, bro. :rolleyes:
lol ok - What's the point of accepting jesus or religion is you don't live your life by his teachings. You clearly don't accept it if it has no influence over you.
Apr 24, 2012 9:40am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:41 AM
sleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.

Not a difficult concept.
You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:41 AM
sleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.

Not a difficult concept.
this
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:41 AM
Skyhook79;1151398 wrote:You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.
lol why because the bible says so? You can't quote a book as truth not everyone believe in.
Apr 24, 2012 9:41am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:42 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1151396 wrote:lol ok - What's the point of accepting jesus or religion is you don't live your life by his teachings. You clearly don't accept it if it has no influence over you.
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Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
Apr 24, 2012 9:42am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Skyhook79;1151395 wrote:The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.
Right. LOL

I'd still love to see how you can have 32,000 animals on a boat for 40 days and not have this documented in any other book besides the Bible. There's no evidence of a global flood, and there never will be.

Enjoy!
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Skyhook79;1151395 wrote:The number is closer to 16,000. 2 of each "kind" were taken not every single animal.
lol lets see how we can twist the definition of words to make our argument seem less ridiculous than it already is
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:43 AM
Skyhook79;1151398 wrote:You are part of God's plan whether you accept him or not.
So none of us have a choice. Free will is irrelevant.

Not a difficult concept.
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:43 AM
sleeper;1151402 wrote:Right. LOL

I'd still love to see how you can have 32,000 animals on a boat for 40 days and not have this documented in any other book besides the Bible. There's no evidence of a global flood, and there never will be.

Enjoy!
It wasn't 32,000 it was around 16,000.
Apr 24, 2012 9:43am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:44 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1151403 wrote:lol lets see how we can twist the definition of words to make our argument seem less ridiculous than it already is
It's not Jonah and the whale, it says Large Fish!

:p
Apr 24, 2012 9:44am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:44 AM
Skyhook79;1151401 wrote:'

Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
God has a plan for you? he controls your life. He influences your decisions because of his plan - YOUR life is already written out for you and nothing you do is your own free will
Apr 24, 2012 9:44am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:45 AM
Skyhook79;1151405 wrote:It wasn't 32,000 it was around 16,000.
16,000 animals on a boat for 40 days on a global flood that never happened. No other book besides the Bible has documented this event. There's no evidence of a flood and there never will be.
Apr 24, 2012 9:45am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:47 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1151409 wrote:God has a plan for you? he controls your life. He influences your decisions because of his plan - YOUR life is already written out for you and nothing you do is your own free will
He gives you the tools to make wise choices. He knows how you are going to choose but in no way does he make you choose a certain way or choose for you. You may not agree with it but many do. Choose for yourself who you will serve and follow.
Apr 24, 2012 9:47am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:48 AM
This thread is exhibit A why I don't engage in rational discussion with believers. People get pissed at me for degrading religion, but that's what I've found more effective.

You can't fix stupid, but you can call them frauds, and you can take that to the bank.
Apr 24, 2012 9:48am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:50 AM
Skyhook79;1151417 wrote:He gives you the tools to make wise choices. He knows how you are going to choose but in no way does he make you choose a certain way or choose for you. You may not agree with it but many do. Choose for yourself who you will serve and follow.
not choosing for yourself - nice contradiction. If you're serving and following, you're not a leading making your own choices.
Apr 24, 2012 9:50am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:50 AM
sleeper;1151412 wrote:16,000 animals on a boat for 40 days on a global flood that never happened. No other book besides the Bible has documented this event. There's no evidence of a flood and there never will be.
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=the+lost+ship+of+noah&tag=googhydr-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=7014343037&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=83239093895311546&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_6vr7wt7y0_b
Apr 24, 2012 9:50am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:51 AM
sleeper;1151391 wrote:If you accept him, then you are part of God's plan. If there is a plan, you don't have control over your life.

Not a difficult concept.
Are there other subjects that you don't know shit about that you like to pontificate endlessly on, or is this the only one? :rolleyes:
Apr 24, 2012 9:51am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:52 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1151420 wrote:not choosing for yourself - nice contradiction. If you're serving and following, you're not a leading making your own choices.
Not a contradiction at all. I choose to follow Jesus, you choose to not follow Jesus. Both are our own choices.
Apr 24, 2012 9:52am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:52 AM
sleeper;1151418 wrote:This thread is exhibit A why I don't engage in rational discussion with believers. People get pissed at me for degrading religion, but that's what I've found more effective.

You can't fix stupid, but you can call them frauds, and you can take that to the bank.
Loves me some irony.
Apr 24, 2012 9:52am
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Apr 24, 2012 9:59 AM
Skyhook79;1151426 wrote:Not a contradiction at all. I choose to follow Jesus, you choose to not follow Jesus. Both are our own choices.
Derrp - except you follow, serve, and have a plan set out for you - I don't because i have free will to do what i want.
Apr 24, 2012 9:59am
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Apr 24, 2012 10:26 AM
Skyhook79;1151401 wrote:'

Influence and control are 2 different things and is why I asked for a definition of control and probably why you wouldn't give one.
"to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command."

Why don't you want to admit that you are controlled by your religion? Aren't you supposed to be a servant, as in, you do what God/Jesus/Whoever says? That is called control.
Apr 24, 2012 10:26am
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Apr 24, 2012 10:31 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1151400 wrote:lol why because the bible says so? You can't quote a book as truth not everyone believe in.
Oh really?

So that means all the atheistic and agnostic arguments have nothing to stand on. Dawkins' words mean nothing. Scientists have no authority either. Not everyone believes in them, so there is no credibility.

Thanks for clearing that up! :thumbup:
Apr 24, 2012 10:31am