Footwedge;1106229 wrote:Well, I'm grampa age, and it's I that doesn't want to pay for everyone else's birth control, which I guess is mandated if I were to get my own insurance.

Socializing the cost of all bc pills, Viagra, vasectomies and the likes....I don't want to chip in for all the sexually active fertile people.

Very bad policy in my view. With that said...LMFAOROTF at those that are defending the chubby guy for the bs he spewed. Women who want bc are not sluts or whores.

That guy probably cost the GOP the election again this year and his supporters are too blind to see it.

Snort. It amazes me how much power you people think he actually wields. He's not The Great and Powerful Oz fer christsakes...he's a guy with a fucking talk radio show. That said, I never get tired of watching y'all froth at the mouth every time his name is mentioned. Good stuff.

fish82;1106240 wrote:Snort. It amazes me how much power you people think he actually wields. He's not The Great and Powerful Oz fer christsakes...he's a guy with a ****ing talk radio show. That said, I never get tired of watching y'all froth at the mouth every time his name is mentioned. Good stuff.

The liberal agenda is such a failure they basically campaign on excuses, blame, scapegoating and boogeymen! God forbid they actually campaign on the merits of their policy.

You want to save money on birth control? Blow your boyfriend more often!

I think that's a policy most of us could get behind.

fish82;1106240 wrote:Snort. It amazes me how much power you people think he actually wields. He's not The Great and Powerful Oz fer christsakes...he's a guy with a ****ing talk radio show. That said, I never get tired of watching y'all froth at the mouth every time his name is mentioned. Good stuff.

So now the chubby fuck yields no power? Really? He holds the power over you people that's for sure. Otherwise, you'd call him out for what he said.

Even the GOP candidates tread oh so lightly in how they've responded. Sure don't want to offend the Maharushi and his 20 million sheep, now do they?

Talk about free entertainment! Yup, my view is that the 10 million or so fence sitters will now cast their vote for the Black guy...especially the female fence sitters. Way to go Rush...you and the sheep just blew another election.

fish82;1106240 wrote:Snort. It amazes me how much power you people think he actually wields. He's not The Great and Powerful Oz fer christsakes...he's a guy with a fucking talk radio show. That said, I never get tired of watching y'all froth at the mouth every time his name is mentioned. Good stuff.

Leftist Rush Frothing is always good for a laugh. The fact he continues to elicit such a reaction only proves he's still capable of getting under thin liberal skin.

gut;1106254 wrote:The liberal agenda is such a failure they basically campaign on excuses, blame, scapegoating and boogeymen! God forbid they actually campaign on the merits of their policy.

They can't because they know it's failed policy.

Footwedge;1106274 wrote:So now the chubby fuck yields no power? Really? He holds the power over you people that's for sure. Otherwise, you'd call him out for what he said.

Even the GOP candidates tread oh so lightly in how they've responded. Sure don't want to offend the Maharushi and his 20 million sheep, now do they?

Talk about free entertainment! Yup, my view is that the 10 million or so fence sitters will now cast their vote for the Black guy...especially the female fence sitters. Way to go Rush...you and the sheep just blew another election.

Actually we'll give you Paulbotoids that dishonor.

Bigdogg;1105818 wrote:Bottom line is if my employer choses to offer health insurance as a benefit, I should be able to pick and choose what coverage I want and need. If it cost more I see no reason I would not pay for it. From what I understand by talking to people I know in the insurance industry, contraceptives use actually reduce the cost of insurance.

Like I said before, my wife worked in a Catholic hospital where contraceptives were not covered, but viraga was even if there was no documented health needs. Why should my wife have to pay for someone else’s elective boner? It’s the same logic used here by a lot of our misguided friends on here, but they have their head so far up Rush's ass, it's beyond reason.

No one is stopping you, and if your employer's carrier doesn't cover a certain procedure you're free to buy your insurance that does or pay it out of pocket.

What this statist administration is doing is picking and choosing medical procedures that MUST be covered. Some people are against it for religious reasons. Some people are against it for Constitutional reasons (where I stand).

I'd love for our employers' insurance carrier to cover LASIK, or IVF, or cosmetic dental or pushing it even further cover our dog's vet costs. Some employers' carriers will cover this, some won't. The point is the only reason there is a difference between any of those medical instances and the Obama administration's vote-buying attempt to mandate coverage of birth control, is nothing than the aforementioned vote-buying aspect. His ratings stink so he's appealing to his base, people that want something for nothing from the government and couldn't care at all about the bill or why the federal government isn't even involved in the first place.

Rush dropped the ball on this, he could have made a very good point but instead relied on personal attacks, but Ms. Fluke's claims and wants and the Obama administration's policy are just as idiotic.

Manhattan Buckeye;1106301 wrote:Rush dropped the ball on this, he could have made a very good point but instead relied on personal attacks, but Ms. Fluke's claims and wants and the Obama administration's policy are just as idiotic.

swoosh...nuthin' but net

believer;1106284 wrote:Actually we'll give you Paulbotoids that dishonor.

This article from one of the best conservative writers of all time.....George, as usual, hammer meets nail on head..

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"They want to bomb Iran, but they are afraid of Rush Limbaugh".

Best line...


ABC’s George Will told me Sunday on “This Week” that GOP leaders have steered clear of harshly denouncing Limbaugh’s comments because “Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh.”
“[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush’s language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that’s inappropriate. Not this stuff,” Will said. “And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they’re afraid of Rush Limbaugh.”
ABC News political analyst Matthew Dowd said the Republicans’ apprehension to say anything negative about the conservative big hitter is based on the “myth” that Limbaugh influences a large number of Republican voters.
“I think the problem is the Republican leaders, Mitt Romney and the other candidates, don’t have the courage to say what they say in quiet, which, they think Rush Limbaugh is a buffoon,” Dowd said. ”They think he is like a clown coming out of a small car at a circus. It’s great he is entertaining and all that. But nobody takes him seriously.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...rush-limbaugh/

Footwedge;1106229 wrote:Well, I'm grampa age, and it's I that doesn't want to pay for everyone else's birth control, which I guess is mandated if I were to get my own insurance.

Socializing the cost of all bc pills, Viagra, vasectomies and the likes....I don't want to chip in for all the sexually active fertile people.

Very bad policy in my view.

I agree.

With three teenage children scientifically I am of grandpa age as well (scary thought). I counsel all them to wait for sex until marriage and avoid serious relationships until they are at a point in life when they ready to enter a marriage relationship. They may not all follow my advice. Rest assured this Dad will not be purchasing any condoms or birth control for his kids.

Footwedge;1106229 wrote:LMFAOROTF at those that are defending the chubby guy for the bs he spewed. Women who want bc are not sluts or whores.

A slut or a whore would petain to a loose women. Not all women who use birth control are loose. Married women use it as well. So its a bad geralization. But what do you call women attending a prestigious law school lamenting the fact that they "can't" afford their BC pills? Freeloader? I dunno. What does it make me if I say why don't you ask your parents for help? How about you give up the smart phone? Maybe the laptop and use computers provided by the university or public? One of the major things bringing our nation down is more and more people trying to figure out how to get other people to pay for their wants and needs instead of people trying to figure out a way to pay for their own wants and needs.

Footwedge;1106229 wrote:That guy probably cost the GOP the election again this year and his supporters are too blind to see it.

LOL. The only thing that will cost the GOP the election is the GOP. He was no fan of McCain and he won the primary. He is no fan of Willard and he will likey win the primary.

BoatShoes;1106137 wrote:You might have a point if it wasn't obviously clear that this does not violate first amendment jurisprudence. The government is free to pass regulations that disproportionately affect religious institutions so long as a particular religion or belief is not singled out. The contraception mandate very clearly does not violate the 1st amendment

Says you that they are allowed to pass anything they want. Let's go back into the time machine...almost 2 years ago...when Obama coerced his signature legislation down our throats and through our rectums. The quintessential theme is that the central government will mandate whom must have healthkare coverage (breathing legal Americans), whom must provide it (private insurance carriers that want to continue being same), which limited selections of insurance packages will be offered (by the HHS Secretary), and what will be in each package (as determined by unnamed/unelected/unvetted bureaucrats whom answer to no public entity).

Under your definition, people would have the ability to opt-out without penalty. In other words, If someone's religion was violated by a regulator's pen, they could choose to NOT PARTICIPATE in whatever activity is being regulated. Under ObamaKare, for the very first time in the history of the republic, EVERYONE is REQUIRED to purchase a privately-sold product and there are NO opt-out provisions (unless, of course, you live in Pelosi's district, belong to a union, or donated to Barry's annointing...then you can get a waiver). There are no opt-out provisos. If the Roman Catholic institutions don't want to participate in offering contraceptives and abortive-meds, then what is their recourse? Can they opt-out on religious grounds? There are no opt-outs in a mandated program...unless they want to pay the fine or have their liberties taken away. Once again, I'll remind you that we are in unchartered waters with the ordered mandates in the law.

I'd be very interested in majorsparks' take on it. He has a very educated take on the Constitution.

fish82;1106031 wrote:Where do they say not to have sex except for procreation?

That's the reason churches oppose female birth control being covered.

jhay78;1106029 wrote:Good stuff about the leftist misogyny that the media has ignored for years now, yet they freak out over one conservative commentator:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology-liberal-men-need-to-follow-suit.html



Liberals who freak out over Rush and ignore the dozens of idiots on the left who cross the line every day are hypocrites.

The First Amendment gives Rush the freedom to say what he wants, within reason. What is laughable to me is how, without fail, every single Republican who dares criticize him goes back a day later, tail between legs, and apologizes. If that doesn't prove his position of de facto leader of the Republican Party (and most of you here on the OC), then I don't know what does. He's your guy, plain and simple. Instead of throwing stones elsewhere, you defenders of the faith need to just own up to it and admit that he is your lord and savior.

I still think, as all guys on here, we have no concept of the actual usage of birth control, or what entails from it.
Contraception to me is just like any other medication. So, I no problem it being included in lists of mandates for the new law.

Well, Rush has been on the air for a long time, and yet GWB still got elected. Twice.

Do the Obama fanboys have so little hope left in their chosen one that they've resorted to desperately fantasizing about some talking head costing the GOP the election?

stlouiedipalma;1106399 wrote:The First Amendment gives Rush the freedom to say what he wants, within reason. What is laughable to me is how, without fail, every single Republican who dares criticize him goes back a day later, tail between legs, and apologizes.

The one with the tail between his legs and appologizing is Rush. Many republicans are criticizing him. Are you posting from a different planet?

ptown_trojans_1;1106426 wrote:I still think, as all guys on here, we have no concept of the actual usage of birth control, or what entails from it.
Contraception to me is just like any other medication. So, I no problem it being included in lists of mandates for the new law.

Speak for yourself, I've been married to woman I've known since 1992, we've used birth control in form of the pill and condoms, I know how much the pill costs, what it does, why my wife takes it other than for birth control reasons (regulates hormones and menstrual cycle), etc.

Why are you ok with any mandate?

Why doesn't them mandate cover:

Depression meds
Rehab clinics
Full vision costs
Full dental costs
Acupuncture
Full preventative care (including gym membership)
Should I go on?

The answer is we have a failing administration that needs to rally up its K Street stooges (NOW, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, etc.) at the expense of trampling on the Constitution.

Scary.

BGFalcons82;1106350 wrote:I'd be very interested in majorsparks' take on it. He has a very educated take on the Constitution.

If I have time I will get into this later. Some things to think on. If the federal government can mandate via a private proxy a religious organizaiton to provide what it wills. Where will it end? Mandated free condoms in private schools? Why not? Just don't single any religion out. The left has never really liked the "religion" part of the 1st amendment. Speech and press are their sacred cows. They hold them in a much higher regard.

Imagine the federal government mandating coverage of a certain issue by the press. Why not? Everyone has a right to hear do they not? Well under the 2nd amendment there is a right to bare arms. What about the poor schlub in the ghetto? Just trying to make his way in life. Thugs all around and fearing for his life. Poor guy can't sleep at night. Fears for his family. A glock 9 could give him the ability to protect himself and his family. Oh no he can't afford it. Wait maybe the feds can help. I have a right to bare arms. The feds are all about mandating private organizations provide rights for people who can't afford them. Are they not? Sorry only certain rights are provided. You are on your own on this one.

Manhattan Buckeye;1106519 wrote:Speak for yourself, I've been married to woman I've known since 1992, we've used birth control in form of the pill and condoms, I know how much the pill costs, what it does, why my wife takes it other than for birth control reasons (regulates hormones and menstrual cycle), etc.

Why are you ok with any mandate?

Why doesn't them mandate cover:

Depression meds
Rehab clinics
Full vision costs
Full dental costs
Acupuncture
Full preventative care (including gym membership)
Should I go on?

The answer is we have a failing administration that needs to rally up its K Street stooges (NOW, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, etc.) at the expense of trampling on the Constitution.

Scary.

Elaborate on what you mean by K Street please.

I don't understand Republican's objection to birth control.

majorspark;1106595 wrote:If I have time I will get into this later. Some things to think on. If the federal government can mandate via a private proxy a religious organizaiton to provide what it wills. Where will it end? Mandated free condoms in private schools? Why not? Just don't single any religion out. The left has never really liked the "religion" part of the 1st amendment. Speech and press are their sacred cows. They hold them in a much higher regard.

Imagine the federal government mandating coverage of a certain issue by the press. Why not? Everyone has a right to hear do they not? Well under the 2nd amendment there is a right to bare arms. What about the poor schlub in the ghetto? Just trying to make his way in life. Thugs all around and fearing for his life. Poor guy can't sleep at night. Fears for his family. A glock 9 could give him the ability to protect himself and his family. Oh no he can't afford it. Wait maybe the feds can help. I have a right to bare arms. The feds are all about mandating private organizations provide rights for people who can't afford them. Are they not? Sorry only certain rights are provided. You are on your own on this one.

You really don't see the difference between saying that an employer, or rather an insurance company may not deny covering birth control for woman in some form or another and providing free firearms to people?

I Wear Pants;1106597 wrote:I don't understand Republican's objection to birth control.

Republicans don't object to birth control. They simply don't agree that Big Government should pay for it at taxpayer expense.

I Wear Pants;1106597 wrote:I don't understand Republican's objection to birth control.

Republicans don't object to birth control. They simply don't agree that Big Government should pay for it at taxpayer expense.

gut;1106429 wrote:Well, Rush has been on the air for a long time, and yet GWB still got elected. Twice.

Do the Obama fanboys have so little hope left in their chosen one that they've resorted to desperately fantasizing about some talking head costing the GOP the election?

Ummmm....yes?

I Wear Pants;1106374 wrote:That's the reason churches oppose female birth control being covered.

No it isn't.

Footwedge;1106274 wrote:So now the chubby **** yields no power? Really? He holds the power over you people that's for sure. Otherwise, you'd call him out for what he said.

I'm starting to think that you actually believe that there are 20 million people out there who sit by the radio for 3 hours each day furiously taking notes and orders from HIM. Highly snortworthy. But if it will make you happy....

Rush, you big fat meanie. How dare you call the lying left-wing activist posing as a poor downtrodden college student that filthy name. Bad Rush....Bad!!!

How's that? We cool then?

Let's do this...when you and your ilk start getting your panties twisted and creating a National Crisis when Ed Schultz calls women sluts, then come talk to me.

When you start creating a National Crisis when Bill Maher goes down the exact same road Every. Single. Fucking. Show......then come talk to me.

Until then...Snort. Sorry.

Footwedge;1106274 wrote:Even the GOP candidates tread oh so lightly in how they've responded. Sure don't want to offend the Maharushi and his 20 million sheep, now do they?

See above. Pot, meet kettle. :rolleyes:

Footwedge;1106274 wrote:Talk about free entertainment! Yup, my view is that the 10 million or so fence sitters will now cast their vote for the Black guy...especially the female fence sitters. Way to go Rush...you and the sheep just blew another election.

If you honestly think that the election is "blown" by a radio host 8 months prior, then you're far less politically savvy then I gave you credit for.

I Wear Pants;1106597 wrote:Elaborate on what you mean by K Street please.

K Street is where all the lobbyist's offices are in DC....kinda like the Wall Street of lobbyists if you will.

I Wear Pants;1106597 wrote:I don't understand Republican's objection to birth control.

That's because there isn't one. Hard to understand something that doesn't even exist.