SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 28, 2012 5:13pm
Not coaching to win in pro football affects your draft position, which can COMPLETELY change the future of your franchise (see: Colts, Andrew Luck).
Not coaching to win a conf. tournament has absolutely no benefit to your program, other than I guess resting your players, which arguably helps your program (see: ratio of conf tourney winners to NCAA tourney winners).
Not coaching to win a conf. tournament has absolutely no benefit to your program, other than I guess resting your players, which arguably helps your program (see: ratio of conf tourney winners to NCAA tourney winners).
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 7:45pm
If the seed is locked the conference tournament game has little importance.Not to mention, that argument isnt the same because they arent playing for a title in week 16 or 17. They have it all locked up.
What is the ratio of regular season conference winners??(see: ratio of conf tourney winners to NCAA tourney winners).
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 28, 2012 8:53pm
If Duke doesn't win the ACC Tournament in 2010, Duke doesn't earn a one seed and might not win a national championship.If the seed is locked the conference tournament game has little importance.
Not coaching to win a conf. tournament has absolutely no benefit to your program, other than I guess resting your players, which arguably helps your program (see: ratio of conf tourney winners to NCAA tourney winners).
Duke won the ACC Tournament in 1992, 2001 and 2010 and all three years also went on to win the national title. In 1991, Duke won the national championship after losing in the conference tournament final.What is the ratio of regular season conference winners??
Playing three days in a row in the conference tournament has little to no effect on a team's chances to win in the NCAA Tournament. Duke has proven that notion is a myth.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 28, 2012 9:07pm
Except that you play to win titles. This is a ridiculous argument.Prescott;1099665 wrote:If the seed is locked the conference tournament game has little importance.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 9:08pm
Exactly!! NCAA tournament titles.Except that you play to win titles.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 28, 2012 9:10pm
How the FUCK does losing a conference tournament game hurt your NCAA title chances? Id love to hear this.Prescott;1099788 wrote:Exactly!! NCAA tournament titles.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 9:15pm
Where did I say it did?? Look,I'm just saying that not all coaches put all of their emphasis on winning a conference tournament title. If there seed is secured they still coach to win, but they aren't really pissed if they lose.They have a bigger goal in mind.How the **** does losing a conference tournament game hurt your NCAA title chances?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 28, 2012 9:29pm
Where has anyone said that a coach puts ALL their emphasis on it. They play to win, same as every game in the regular season. They are gonna be just as pissed about a loss as any other loss the whole year (save the final loss in NCAA).Prescott;1099803 wrote:Where did I say it did?? Look,I'm just saying that not all coaches put all of their emphasis on winning a conference tournament title. If there seed is secured they still coach to win, but they aren't really pissed if they lose.They have a bigger goal in mind.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 28, 2012 11:20pm
Butler beat Wright State easily.
Next they get UW-Milwaukee, who they split with in the regular season. Then they would have to play top-seeded Valpo @ Valpo. And then likely either Detroit or Cleveland State on the road in the championship.
But is anyone gonna bet against them?
Next they get UW-Milwaukee, who they split with in the regular season. Then they would have to play top-seeded Valpo @ Valpo. And then likely either Detroit or Cleveland State on the road in the championship.
But is anyone gonna bet against them?
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 11:21pm
Agree to disagree.They are gonna be just as pissed about a loss as any other loss the whole year
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 28, 2012 11:25pm
Lol, why wouldnt they get upset about losing to a team in the tournament. But 3 weeks before they will get pissed about losing to the same team in the regular season. This makes less and less sense to me.Prescott;1099943 wrote:Agree to disagree.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 11:29pm
You believe whatever you want to believe and I will do the same.Neither of us can prove the other wrong.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Feb 28, 2012 11:29pm
"Playing three days in a row in the conference tournament has little to no effect on a team's chances to win in the NCAA Tournament. Duke has proven that notion is a myth."
It is a myth to anyone that played sports or lived in the 18-22 range. 3 days of rest is plenty for basketball, particularly considering that the tournament has only one day between the three rounds.
It is a myth to anyone that played sports or lived in the 18-22 range. 3 days of rest is plenty for basketball, particularly considering that the tournament has only one day between the three rounds.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 28, 2012 11:29pm
The funniest part of this whole argument is that it doesn't make any sense to Ahdonis either. He's simply trying to trivialize Duke's ACC championships. That's all this is about and all it ever was about.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 28, 2012 11:32pm
Exactly.Manhattan Buckeye;1099950 wrote:"Playing three days in a row in the conference tournament has little to no effect on a team's chances to win in the NCAA Tournament. Duke has proven that notion is a myth."
It is a myth to anyone that played sports or lived in the 18-22 range. 3 days of rest is plenty for basketball, particularly considering that the tournament has only one day between the three rounds.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Feb 28, 2012 11:52pm
Agreed.It is a myth to anyone that played sports or lived in the 18-22 range. 3 days of rest is plenty for basketball, particularly considering that the tournament has only one day between the three rounds.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 2, 2012 7:01pm
Belmont is down 5 at the half in the A-Sun semis.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Mar 2, 2012 7:26pm
I think UConn proved this to a "T" last year.Manhattan Buckeye;1099950 wrote:"
It is a myth to anyone that played sports or lived in the 18-22 range. 3 days of rest is plenty for basketball, particularly considering that the tournament has only one day between the three rounds.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 2, 2012 8:32pm
The favorites looking good today.
Belmont came back to win.
Wichita State rolled (VERY disappointing season for Indiana State).
Detroit won.
Murray State, Creighton and Harvard are currently winning.
Belmont came back to win.
Wichita State rolled (VERY disappointing season for Indiana State).
Detroit won.
Murray State, Creighton and Harvard are currently winning.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 2, 2012 10:38pm
Florida Gulf Coast, the 6 seed in the A-Sun, shocks Mercer and moves on to play Belmont at 15-16 overall.
Similar to last year when North Florida made a surprise run to the title game, and then Belmont beat them by 41 points. Bruins will be dancing again. Going to be a dangerous 13/14 seed.
Similar to last year when North Florida made a surprise run to the title game, and then Belmont beat them by 41 points. Bruins will be dancing again. Going to be a dangerous 13/14 seed.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 2, 2012 10:47pm
Butler blasted Milwaukee. Wow. Just lost at Valpo a week ago, another shot at them on Valpo's home floor tomorrow. Upset? Cleveland State/Detroit will be a good game.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Mar 2, 2012 11:16pm
SMH. Helllllo? "this whole conversation bothers me"Prescott;1099382 wrote:They require more of everything..
In your mind it might be monumental.In my mind it means nothing....Some coaches don't mind losing early in conference tournament so their teams can prepare for the real tournament...... The only conference tournaments that matter are the mid-major tournaments that determine who gets a ticket to the NCAA's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 3, 2012 1:40pm
Looks like UNC Asheville is going to beat upset-minded VMI. They will be a dangerous 14 seed most likely.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 3, 2012 1:49pm
Disappointing, too, because Duggar Baucom's teams play such a thrilling brand of basketball. VMI hasn't had the personnel this year that they have in the past to play that racehorse style, but, when hot, they are a team with a lot of perimeter firepower. Those are usually the most dangerous low seeds in the NCAAs.
Asheville is pretty good, though, so perhaps they can do some work.
Asheville is pretty good, though, so perhaps they can do some work.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 3, 2012 2:09pm
I think Asheville is almost definitely a 16 seed unless there are small conference upsets. They could maybe grab a 15 seed over Bucknell, but I doubt it.
Bubble teams everywhere hoping Murray State finishes the deal here.
Bubble teams everywhere hoping Murray State finishes the deal here.