Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 23, 2012 5:26pm
DAMN IT!chicago510;1094008 wrote:Ryan Braun just won his appeal of his suspension. He will not be suspended.
Unreal. This has never happened before under the MLB testing. How will this affect his legacy?
IMO, we need facts on why he won. I can't just be like "oh ok he must not have taken steroids".
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Feb 23, 2012 5:28pm
Per the JSOnline article, the case turned not on the results of the test, but the testing process itself. Braun did exhibit abnormally high testosterone levels, but won his appeal based on an argument that the process by which players are tested was/is flawed.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 23, 2012 5:29pm
Well, we'll be able to tell alot this year based on his numbers. He will be tested like crazy, so anything he maybe was taking won't be an option anymore.
If there is a tangible drop off in his production, winning appeal or not people will know all they need to about his innocence.
If there is a tangible drop off in his production, winning appeal or not people will know all they need to about his innocence.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 23, 2012 5:31pm
I honestly don't think he did but you never know
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Feb 23, 2012 5:37pm
swamisez;1094012 wrote:Per the JSOnline article, the case turned not on the results of the test, but the testing process itself. Braun did exhibit abnormally high testosterone levels, but won his appeal based on an argument that the process by which players are tested was/is flawed.
That's complete bullshit. If the system is flawed, ok. But he still failed. Unreal.
chicago510
Posts: 5,728
Feb 23, 2012 6:07pm
LOL, GTFO. Im sure the dude added some extra Testosterone while it was in his fridge.Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering, didn't argue anything about science being wrong but argued protocol had not been followed. A second source confirmed to ESPN investigative reporter Mark Fainaru-Wada that Braun did not dispute the science but rather questioned chain of custody/collection procedure.
According to one of the sources, the collector, after getting Braun's sample, was supposed to take the sample to FedEx/Kinkos for shipping but thought it was closed because it was late on a Saturday. As has occurred in some other instances, the collector took the sample home and kept it refrigerated. Policy states that the sample is supposed to get to FedEx as soon as possible.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 23, 2012 7:14pm
Not really. Plenty of MVP's have had a drop off in production after their MVP season. It will be even tougher for Braun to repeat his production without Fielder in the lineup.IggyPride00;1094014 wrote:Well, we'll be able to tell alot this year based on his numbers. He will be tested like crazy, so anything he maybe was taking won't be an option anymore.
If there is a tangible drop off in his production, winning appeal or not people will know all they need to about his innocence.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 23, 2012 7:21pm
Or PED's, whichever you attribute the drop off to.It will be even tougher for Braun to repeat his production without Fielder in the lineup.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Feb 23, 2012 7:58pm
I'm sure that, with Fielder gone, Braun will be pitched to differently. I don't know how I feel about this. It would seem that, in light of all the doping that has gone on before, any player, much less a star, wouldn't risk a 50-game suspension and the stain which accompanies it throughout his career. Braun had never tested positive before, so I have a problem with the positive sample just showing up out of thin air.
The fact that the results weren't disputed but the process was tells me that he got off on a technicality. It's kinda like a criminal getting off because he wasn't read his Miranda rights at the time of arrest.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding or, in this case, in his numbers this year.
The fact that the results weren't disputed but the process was tells me that he got off on a technicality. It's kinda like a criminal getting off because he wasn't read his Miranda rights at the time of arrest.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding or, in this case, in his numbers this year.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 23, 2012 9:19pm
Exactly. His T/E ratio was 20:1 :laugh:stlouiedipalma;1094141 wrote: The fact that the results weren't disputed but the process was tells me that he got off on a technicality. It's kinda like a criminal getting off because he wasn't read his Miranda rights at the time of arrest.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 24, 2012 1:52pm
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Feb 24, 2012 2:00pm
Sure it has.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 24, 2012 2:09pm
What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?
1. The stress of the investigation.
2. Taking the PED needle away?
Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
1. The stress of the investigation.
2. Taking the PED needle away?
Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 24, 2012 2:11pm
You do realize that 'Sports Pickle" is a satirical site, correct? That interview wasn't serious.IggyPride00;1094763 wrote:What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?
1. The stress of the investigation.
2. Taking the PED needle away?
Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 24, 2012 2:12pm
lol wow. Yeah he should just stfu and thank his lucky stars.
chicago510
Posts: 5,728
Feb 24, 2012 3:52pm
IggyPride00;1094763 wrote:What's more likely to make a person lose 30 pounds of musicle?
1. The stress of the investigation.
2. Taking the PED needle away?
Braun should really just stop talking right now because he is not helping himself.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 24, 2012 4:16pm
And this is why I've always loved satirical sites!BR1986FB;1094764 wrote:You do realize that 'Sports Pickle" is a satirical site, correct? That interview wasn't serious.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 24, 2012 5:17pm
If the reports are true Braun would have tested 3 times more testosterone levels than anyone thats ever been tested. Someone had to of messed with the sample cause that's just ridiculous
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Feb 24, 2012 11:37pm
Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Feb 25, 2012 1:44pm
That's how they know you are using PEDs. Not new. You are thinking of the test for Human Growth Hormone probably?stlouiedipalma;1095171 wrote:Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 26, 2012 4:10pm
Joel Zumaya....torn UCL, out for the season.
chicago510
Posts: 5,728
Feb 26, 2012 11:13pm
In baseball, or generally speaking in medicine?stlouiedipalma;1095171 wrote:Am I wrong, or is testosterone testing relatively new?
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Feb 26, 2012 11:38pm
:thumbdown:Too bad that guy could never keep it together injury wiseIronman92;1096518 wrote:Joel Zumaya....torn UCL, out for the season.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Feb 27, 2012 6:35pm
Saw on twitter Freddie Freemen increased his bench press this offseason from 165 to 256
He could only BP 165???
He could only BP 165???
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Feb 27, 2012 7:10pm
That was the first thought I had when I saw that. I guess bench pressing doesn't necessarily help with hitting a ball, but still that's pretty sad.