jaco;1294883 wrote:I think some of the "I" stuff in the program is coming from the fact coaches are telling kids to not worry about their record - worry about improving as an individual. It's the kids' defense mechanism to the losing. I don't think anybody likes losing and kids react differently. And I do hope that this has been a valuable learning year for coach. He now knows what he has and hopefully has a plan to take it to the next level.

The persistent problem I see, though, is a continuing lack of toughness. Whether it be on the field or mom calling coach to gripe about something. At some point Coach Haas has to tell these kids to grow a pair, and for parents to shut up. It's his team. Only worry there is will the AD support him. The more I hear about the AD, the less impressed I am.

My high point for Woo football this week was seeing Juice Massaro and the 8th grade squad's fight. Woo's big center/team captain got drilled in the back by an Ashland kid way after the whistle. He was the only kid I saw block anybody the whole game, so half of me wonders if it wasn't planned. He got up and the kid then takes a jab at him. After that, it looked like Ali-Frazier. It was on. Good for him. Fists were flying. Bring him up to dress with the varsity squad next week as a reward! They've had two ejections in three weeks. I've got no problem with that at all. Of course, the head coach was yelling at the kid "why didn't you just take the 15 yards on the late hit?!". jeez.. And I didn't see one kid come to their captain's defense. I've got a problem with that. We wonder what's wrong on Friday nights..sissies are being created much earlier in the program. At least I saw Juice give the kid a big hug on the sidelines after he got him calmed down. I'm sure he won't be invited back to coach next year.

scarface1;1295052 wrote:As far as the fight at 8th grade game not cool when kids get ejected, agree we need to be more agressive footbal players but there is a fine line between agressive and stupid and it sounds like we crossed it a couple of times.

scarface1;1295430 wrote:Oh i agree it has been rough with the change in coaches. There are way more turnovers than i have ever seen from a Wooster team. A lot of this has to do with young quarterback and new system. I think I told everyone last year when they ran Mccreary out of town to be carefull what you ask for. Not saying the change wont be good in the long run but if anyone from Wooster thought this group would go from 4-6 to a playoff team were very wrong. To change a program like we did it will take a couple years to get averyone on the same page. The worst thing about that is the seniors and juniors are the ones that are going to suffer the most. 90% of this team are the same starters as last year the only difference are QB and a break away threat at running back so the talent is roughly the same as last and the results are also. Feel bad for those seniors going out but hopefully this year will be a learning experience for the program and the new coach and Wooster will come out better off in the long run.

scarface1;1295995 wrote:You are right Rolly if they can beat orrville it will definitely take some of the sting out of a tough year. I hope these kids come out and play their hearts out the last two games if they do that will certainly show us something about them and the new coach.

Red Rider Nation;1296183 wrote:Beating a 1-7 Orrville team when you are 2 divisions higher then us should do Nothing to turn around a losing season. You should beat Orrville! if that's what you are banking your season on at this point then your football program should FOLD! That would be like Orrville saying if we could just beat Rittman everything would be fine! NOPE!!!

Mr Miyagi;1296194 wrote:If Orrville COULD beat Rittman , you guys might feel a little better.

CCRolly;1296298 wrote:I feared that some Orrville faithful would resort back to the "Wooster should beat Orrville every year" argument the first time it looked like there was a good chance it may happen. I think most Orrville faithful would agree with me that whoever wins this game can usually feel a little better about a down season by beating their rival. It just makes no sense.

gowoo;1296301 wrote:Are you new to the 100 year rivalry?

Red Rider Nation;1297114 wrote:Totally agree. Bad move on our part scheduling that team.

Red Rider Nation;1299050 wrote:Fair enough call it what you want!

scarface1;1299293 wrote:Dont know what to say about Wooster tonight. One of the worst efforts I have seen from a team in years. Then after game we have player a riding home with parents instead of with team WOW! and he is a senior. We have defensive player, one of those talented sophomores who just quit playing. No way he should play against Orrville next week. As I have said before we have about five seniors who even give an effort. The senior who went home with mom and dad was prancing around after a five yard catch like we were winning by 43 instead of losing by 43. Then another senior after game was more worried about the weather next week than the way we lost the game. This performance is not acceptable and should not be tolerated by this coaching staff. Haas should start the seniors who care and sit the rest I know this wont happen but it definitely would send a message to the team for next year. With all this being said I hope we come out with a much better effort next week and get a win against Orrville GO WOO!!!!

scarface1;1299293 wrote:Dont know what to say about Wooster tonight. One of the worst efforts I have seen from a team in years. Then after game we have player a riding home with parents instead of with team WOW! and he is a senior. We have defensive player, one of those talented sophomores who just quit playing. No way he should play against Orrville next week. As I have said before we have about five seniors who even give an effort. The senior who went home with mom and dad was prancing around after a five yard catch like we were winning by 43 instead of losing by 43. Then another senior after game was more worried about the weather next week than the way we lost the game. This performance is not acceptable and should not be tolerated by this coaching staff. Haas should start the seniors who care and sit the rest I know this wont happen but it definitely would send a message to the team for next year. With all this being said I hope we come out with a much better effort next week and get a win against Orrville GO WOO!!!!

jaco;1299318 wrote:The sad truth, scarface, is that many of these kids are used to losing and have grown to accept it. Thats what defines a "culture of losing". There needs to be accountability, bu im afraid coach has compromised himself in order to get these "athletes" on the team. Case in point, the sophomore who joined the team two weeks ago and is now starting. Those sorts of kids are cancers. If youre gonna lose anyway, lose with character and send a message, not with clowns. What exactly is the message youre sending your freshmen and sophomores?

Mr. 300;1299369 wrote:My son took it in stride...last play of the 1st half...WH is up 22-0. Wooster player has him engaged and drives him downfield on a block and plants him on his backside. Woo player says "You're playin' with the big boys now"....my sons replies..."Nice sledge hammer" and "you guys are pretty good for 2-6".

And the player scarface eluded to after the big catch he made...I laughed so hard as a I sat there watching this kid strut around about breaking a tackle on a pass in the flat...DOWN 43-0

jaco;1299400 wrote:Funny you say that, scarface, about them not playing as a team because that fact just jumps out at me too. Its weird. Never seen anything like it. Talented kids who play like they just came out for football a week ago. And I know theyve been practicing together for months but you'd never know it. Theyre athletes, not football players. Big difference. And the sledge..that can go away. These kids need some humility. There are times, though, i think they could use it since it might be the only way of getting a defensive stop.

gohardorgohome;1300095 wrote:first of all, i have been around this program longer than any of you. you guys have no idea what really goes on inside of that locker room or on saturday mornings during film session. the fact that the supposed amazing junior class and jv team means nothing. if they were so good they would be playing on friday nights. the post by scarface about players working out in the off season and what not means nothing. they workout to get better themselves, not to earn a starting spot on friday night. regardless of the situation, the best will be in every position. if you have a son on the team but not on friday nights then he isn't good enough. its that simple.:thumbup:

frustrated fan;1300161 wrote:I'm just wondering if anyone one feels the coaches should be held accountable?

frustrated fan;1300194 wrote:Then I guess you are saying they shouldn't be held accountable? I can't understand how you can completely blame the boys. Your sone must be a junior because those are the only players you don't rag on. I will be curios to see if its the coaches fault or the players next year if things look the same. Good luck to ALL the players that are wearing a Wooster jersey at the Orrville game. Whether you start or stand on the sidelines, be proud of the colors you are wearing!! I hope they end their season with pride!

jaco;1300260 wrote:I'll be curious to see what coach does different, or the same, next season. First year is obviously a learning experience. I dont want to dog any one kid or class. It's a team sport and those kids work hard. But i would not have guessed this team to have only two wins unless the sophomore QB struggled alot - and that wasnt the case. It's a head scratcher, for sure. Just too much talent for two wins. One thing i would like to see is more emphasis on basics..tackling, blocking, tackling.. Were a very poor tackling team.

Mr. 300;1300470 wrote:FYI.......combined score in the battle of Wayne/Holmes County this year was WH-84 Orr/Woo-0.

:thumbup:

gohardorgohome;1300095 wrote:first of all, i have been around this program longer than any of you. you guys have no idea what really goes on inside of that locker room or on saturday mornings during film session. the fact that the supposed amazing junior class and jv team means nothing. if they were so good they would be playing on friday nights. the post by scarface about players working out in the off season and what not means nothing. they workout to get better themselves, not to earn a starting spot on friday night. regardless of the situation, the best will be in every position. if you have a son on the team but not on friday nights then he isn't good enough. its that simple.:thumbup:

CCRolly;1300461 wrote:The fact of the matter is this, Wooster football team has one week left to "salvage" another losing season. A win over Orrville (finally) would make another losing season a little more tolerable. Something does need done to change the losing mentality that surrounds this team, a culture change. I think Haas can do it, but unfortunately for the program, it will truly be addition by subtraction as far as this senior class goes. Not quite sure what it's going to take to get more of the kids focused and committed to the off-season program, but until that dedication is found, we're going to end up with the same result year-after-year. Here's hoping that the Generals will come out and find a way to play their most complete game of year against Orrville next Saturday....Go Woo!

Red Rider Nation;1300491 wrote:Blah blah blah. You are getting a little arrogant for a team who hasnt won a playoff game in like a million years! You have a nice team but dont ruin it with your mouth!!!!

jaco;1300532 wrote:My greatest wish regarding West Holmes and Millersburg is that those people would just stay down there. Don't drive up to our restaurants, stores, theaters...just stay in the hills.

Mr. 300;1300470 wrote:FYI.......combined score in the battle of Wayne/Holmes County this year was WH-84 Orr/Woo-0.

:thumbup:

frustrated fan;1300161 wrote:I'm just wondering if anyone one feels the coaches should be held accountable?