Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 3, 2013 7:22am
I think you're failing to see the writing on the wall with Shogun. I think Glover beats him up, and imo I don't think it would be close.robj55;1451691 wrote:Damnit man I was so looking forward to that rematch, their first fight in pride was amazing. Would love to see Glover Texeira step up and take on Shogun if possible, what a war that would be.
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jmog
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Jun 3, 2013 10:50am
I agree 100%. Glover should destroy Shogun right now in my opinion. Shogun, minus 2 fights against Machida, has NOT been NEARLY the same since Pride.Raw Dawgin' it;1451796 wrote:I think you're failing to see the writing on the wall with Shogun. I think Glover beats him up, and imo I don't think it would be close.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 11:26am
I know he is worn from all the wear and tear throughout the years but he just had a competitive fight with Gus in December and Glover is the type to stand right in front of you. With the type of power Shogun possesses he could very well win that fight. Don't forget, Glover hasn't beat any top tier fighters yet, he is smashing guys who he should be who are much worse than him.Raw Dawgin' it;1451796 wrote:I think you're failing to see the writing on the wall with Shogun. I think Glover beats him up, and imo I don't think it would be close.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 3, 2013 11:35am
He beat Rampage. Pretty sure the fight would look like that. Rampage has power but didn't have the speed or the stamina, sounds like Shogun to me.robj55;1451892 wrote:I know he is worn from all the wear and tear throughout the years but he just had a competitive fight with Gus in December and Glover is the type to stand right in front of you. With the type of power Shogun possesses he could very well win that fight. Don't forget, Glover hasn't beat any top tier fighters yet, he is smashing guys who he should be who are much worse than him.
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jmog
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Jun 3, 2013 11:59am
Shogun is 4-4 since 2009, yes, those 4 losses are against the top of the division (Gus, Jones, Machida, Hendo). His only 'big' win in that time frame was Machida.
Forrest has been terrible since he lost the title and Vera has never really been top tier.
I love Shogun, but facts are facts, he isn't the same as he used to be.
Glover has destroyed everyone he has faced except Rampage and he still beat him pretty soundly.
Forrest has been terrible since he lost the title and Vera has never really been top tier.
I love Shogun, but facts are facts, he isn't the same as he used to be.
Glover has destroyed everyone he has faced except Rampage and he still beat him pretty soundly.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 1:30pm
He did but Rampage is a shell of the fighter he was just 2 years ago. Shogun still seems hungry where Rampage didn't. I would favor Glover don't get me wrong but beating up Maldinado(a fight he got rocked in), Kingsbury and Te Huna doesn't automatically say to me that he would walk through Shogun, even this version of Shogun.Raw Dawgin' it;1451896 wrote:He beat Rampage. Pretty sure the fight would look like that. Rampage has power but didn't have the speed or the stamina, sounds like Shogun to me.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 1:32pm
Rumor is that Chael Sonnen will step up and fill in for Lil Nog against Shogun now. Tough break for Shogun, you're preparing for a boxer in Lil Nog and bjj black belt and you get a grinder wrestler on 2 weeks notice.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 3, 2013 1:42pm
I think Shogun has a chance with a submission. He'll most likely lose a decision by g'n'probj55;1451946 wrote:Rumor is that Chael Sonnen will step up and fill in for Lil Nog against Shogun now. Tough break for Shogun, you're preparing for a boxer in Lil Nog and bjj black belt and you get a grinder wrestler on 2 weeks notice.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 1:55pm
Chael has been submitted 8 times, I could see a Shogun win by knee bar or triangle. only 3 rounds favors Chael though with his style and Shogun's lack of wrestling defense. Still hasn't been confirmed however.Raw Dawgin' it;1451954 wrote:I think Shogun has a chance with a submission. He'll most likely lose a decision by g'n'p
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 2:34pm
Lyoto Machida vs Phil Davis supposedly agreed upon for UFC 163 in Brazil, that wraps up Gus vs Jon Jones, probably at UFC 164 or the Fox Sports 1 debut. What a tough fight for Phil.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 3, 2013 2:47pm
Most likely Ben Henderson on Fox. He doesn't generate enough for a PPV.robj55;1451974 wrote:Lyoto Machida vs Phil Davis supposedly agreed upon for UFC 163 in Brazil, that wraps up Gus vs Jon Jones, probably at UFC 164 or the Fox Sports 1 debut. What a tough fight for Phil.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 2:52pm
That would make sense, why waste the PPV draw on free tv, Jones vs Gus at 164 would make sense.Raw Dawgin' it;1451982 wrote:Most likely Ben Henderson on Fox. He doesn't generate enough for a PPV.
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jmog
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Jun 3, 2013 3:01pm
Machida and Davis will be interesting, that will be the best pure wrestler Machida has ever faced. It will be interesting to see if Davis can get Machida on the ground where other wrestlers have failed.robj55;1451974 wrote:Lyoto Machida vs Phil Davis supposedly agreed upon for UFC 163 in Brazil, that wraps up Gus vs Jon Jones, probably at UFC 164 or the Fox Sports 1 debut. What a tough fight for Phil.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 3, 2013 3:04pm
I think it would be sweet to have Jones on free tv - could bring in a lot of new fans. But I don't think they want to waste the PPV dollars. Bendo is getting tiresome though. I feel like him and Nate Diaz are always on the fox cards.robj55;1451985 wrote:That would make sense, why waste the PPV draw on free tv, Jones vs Gus at 164 would make sense.
robj55
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Jun 3, 2013 3:05pm
No doubt, interesting styles clash. Davis has no choice but to take him down, he will get killed on the feet.jmog;1451988 wrote:Machida and Davis will be interesting, that will be the best pure wrestler Machida has ever faced. It will be interesting to see if Davis can get Machida on the ground where other wrestlers have failed.
Enforcer
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Jun 3, 2013 11:55pm
Fight will not happen http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/286196/UPDATED:-Chael-Sonnen-Reportedly-Fighting-Shogun-Rua-at-UFC-161.htmrobj55;1451946 wrote:Rumor is that Chael Sonnen will step up and fill in for Lil Nog against Shogun now. Tough break for Shogun, you're preparing for a boxer in Lil Nog and bjj black belt and you get a grinder wrestler on 2 weeks notice.
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 4, 2013 7:28am
Well, at least it'll be a free fight.Enforcer;1452344 wrote:Fight will not happen http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/286196/UPDATED:-Chael-Sonnen-Reportedly-Fighting-Shogun-Rua-at-UFC-161.htm
Enforcer
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Jun 4, 2013 12:51pm
Rampage signs with Bellator MMA and TNA wrestling http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/286290/UPDATED:-Rampage-Jackson-Signs-With-Bellator.htm
robj55
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Jun 4, 2013 7:18pm
Good for him, he will be their biggest star and most recognizable guy. Will probably bring them quite a few casual fans.Enforcer;1452459 wrote:Rampage signs with Bellator MMA and TNA wrestling http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/286290/UPDATED:-Rampage-Jackson-Signs-With-Bellator.htm
Fab1b
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Jun 4, 2013 8:45pm
Rampage and King Mo can finally settle things!
Raw Dawgin' it
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Jun 5, 2013 9:11am
UFC 164 is looking awesome....
Champ Benson Henderson vs. T.J. Grant - for UFC lightweight title
Josh Barnett vs. Frank Mir
Clay Guida vs. Chad Mendes
Erik Koch vs. Dustin Poirier
Ben Rothwell vs. Brandon Vera
Diego Sanchez vs. opponent TBA
Nikita Krylov vs. Soa Palelei
Champ Benson Henderson vs. T.J. Grant - for UFC lightweight title
Josh Barnett vs. Frank Mir
Clay Guida vs. Chad Mendes
Erik Koch vs. Dustin Poirier
Ben Rothwell vs. Brandon Vera
Diego Sanchez vs. opponent TBA
Nikita Krylov vs. Soa Palelei
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Zoltan
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Jun 5, 2013 4:33pm
Rampage now saying he wants to fight at Heavyweight. When notoriously lazy fighters like him and BJ want to go up a weight, they usually say it is for more exciting challenges, when really it means they won't have to train hard and cut weight. This is not a good sign for Bellator.Fab1b;1452660 wrote:Rampage and King Mo can finally settle things!
robj55
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Jun 7, 2013 6:06pm
Seems like they are trying to make Rampage into a huge star, not just in MMA either.Zoltan;1453053 wrote:Rampage now saying he wants to fight at Heavyweight. When notoriously lazy fighters like him and BJ want to go up a weight, they usually say it is for more exciting challenges, when really it means they won't have to train hard and cut weight. This is not a good sign for Bellator.
robj55
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Jun 7, 2013 6:07pm
Gonna be some great fights tomorrow on Fuel, the Brazilians always deliver.
bigdaddy2003
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Jun 8, 2013 11:08am
Who does everyone have winning?