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Heretic

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Oct 16, 2012 4:45pm

bigdaddy2003;1296745 wrote:Chael and Bones will coach TUF 17 and fight in Aprill.

And suddenly Zuffa has found a cure to the ratings blues caused by having less-than-interesting coaching match-ups such as Fat Nelson (WTF? Is this a "coach show, lose fight, get fired" sort of deal Dana's doing here?) and Bland Carwin (capable of kicking ass; no personality whatsoever apparently) going against each other.

robj55

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Oct 16, 2012 4:52pm

What a fucking joke, an absolute joke.

bigdaddy2003

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Oct 16, 2012 5:30pm

I guess ratings/ppv buys are the top priorities. Wtf happened to Machida getting another shot?

robj55

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Oct 16, 2012 7:58pm

It's a business, and I understand that. But why even have belts? This legitimizes the belt, might as well get rid of them and just do fun match ups. Chael leapfrogs everyone at 205 without beating anyone to save TUF and gets an instant title shot coming off a loss at 185? He wouldnt even be top 5 at 205, maybe not even top 10, this is a joke.

Enforcer

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Oct 16, 2012 8:12pm

bigdaddy2003;1296804 wrote:I guess ratings/ppv buys are the top priorities. Wtf happened to Machida getting another shot?

Mchida gets another shot but His camp came out recently and said He wants to fight once more before fighting Bones , and they were looking at Feb for his next fight

bigdaddy2003

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Oct 16, 2012 8:58pm

Enforcer;1296903 wrote:Mchida gets another shot but His camp came out recently and said He wants to fight once more before fighting Bones , and they were looking at Feb for his next fight

Oh good looking out. I didn't know that. I agree with anyone who says it's crappy Chael is hopping right into a title shot but with that being said I will be entertained by his antics on TUF.

Enforcer

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Oct 16, 2012 9:57pm

bigdaddy2003;1296945 wrote:Oh good looking out. I didn't know that. I agree with anyone who says it's crappy Chael is hopping right into a title shot but with that being said I will be entertained by his antics on TUF.

I think His season of TUF will be the highest in ratings history

robj55

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Oct 16, 2012 10:02pm

UFC is turning into the WWE. Chael getting this shot is a joke. I will tune in to watch him get his shit pushed in though.

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sportchampps

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Oct 16, 2012 10:03pm

Not if they keep it on Fridays. Fridays is where shows die

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I Wear Pants

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Oct 17, 2012 1:46am

Enforcer;1296903 wrote:Mchida gets another shot but His camp came out recently and said He wants to fight once more before fighting Bones , and they were looking at Feb for his next fight

I believe Machida and Hendo are fighting.

Raw Dawgin' it

Posts: 11,466

Oct 17, 2012 7:03am

Who at 205 deserves it? No one. Having Chael fight him allows Zuffa to try and save TUF and it also lets the division sort itself out a bit with Machida fighting Hendo, Rua vs Gus, and Rampage vs Teixeira.

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jmog

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Oct 17, 2012 8:55am

bigdaddy2003;1296804 wrote:I guess ratings/ppv buys are the top priorities. Wtf happened to Machida getting another shot?

I'm as dumbfounded as the next guy as to why Chael gets a shot, but Machida turned down Bones...so his shot got pushed back.

OSH

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Oct 17, 2012 9:18am

I had a long talk about this fight with a buddy of mine last night, he broke the news to me.

I understand why UFC is doing it. Chael was the most recent title fight loser at 185. He essentially was the top of that division (that wasn't the title holder). No one has really stepped forward at 205 to claim #1 contender. I believe whoever would've fought (and lost) the last title fight at 185 probably would've been given this same chance. Especially since Machida turned down a fight. Shogun is scheduled for December -- which means whoever wins probably should be the #1 contender. Is there really another choice? I understand it, may not agree with it -- I despise Chael -- but, it makes sense to me.

robj55

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Oct 17, 2012 10:37am

OSH;1297454 wrote:I had a long talk about this fight with a buddy of mine last night, he broke the news to me.

I understand why UFC is doing it. Chael was the most recent title fight loser at 185. He essentially was the top of that division (that wasn't the title holder). No one has really stepped forward at 205 to claim #1 contender. I believe whoever would've fought (and lost) the last title fight at 185 probably would've been given this same chance. Especially since Machida turned down a fight. Shogun is scheduled for December -- which means whoever wins probably should be the #1 contender. Is there really another choice? I understand it, may not agree with it -- I despise Chael -- but, it makes sense to me.

No they wouldn't have. This comes down to TUF struggling and Chael's marketability and ability to sell a fight. MAchida had 3 weeks to prepare, that is a completely different scenario. I would be okay with this if it were a late replacement like 151 was supposed to be, but this is 6 months away. Chael leapfrogs everyone at 205 because he can sell a fight, even though he has no chance to win it. He wouldn't even be top 5 at 205, probably not even top 10. There are so many better fighters there than him. It's a slap in the face to the sport and to the athletes, the business is more important than the belts and rankings. Forrest said it best, why fight your way to the top when you can talk your way to it. There are tons of other choices, this fight isn't happening until April 27, that's a lonnnnnnng way away.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Oct 17, 2012 11:04am

robj55;1297513 wrote:No they wouldn't have. This comes down to TUF struggling and Chael's marketability and ability to sell a fight. MAchida had 3 weeks to prepare, that is a completely different scenario. I would be okay with this if it were a late replacement like 151 was supposed to be, but this is 6 months away. Chael leapfrogs everyone at 205 because he can sell a fight, even though he has no chance to win it. He wouldn't even be top 5 at 205, probably not even top 10. There are so many better fighters there than him. It's a slap in the face to the sport and to the athletes, the business is more important than the belts and rankings. Forrest said it best, why fight your way to the top when you can talk your way to it. There are tons of other choices, this fight isn't happening until April 27, that's a lonnnnnnng way away.

I really think it just allows 205 to sort itself out. Machida, Rua, Hendo, Teixeira, Rashad, Gus...etc, who would you pick to fight for the belt right now?

robj55

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Oct 17, 2012 11:14am

Raw Dawgin' it;1297543 wrote:I really think it just allows 205 to sort itself out. Machida, Rua, Hendo, Teixeira, Rashad, Gus...etc, who would you pick to fight for the belt right now?

Shogun and Gustaffson fight in early december, Hendo vs Machida is rumored for december or january. Texeira could fight Jones right now but will probably fight Rampage in early 2013. Again, this fight between Chael and Jones isn't until almost MAY, all of these fighters would be ready by then as these fights would be over and decided. This is about TUF and ratings, and a huge PPV that will sell. Chael couldn't beat any of those guys I just named, he talked his way into a title shot coming off a tko loss. He is 6-5 in the UFC and hasn't fought at 205 in 7 years. This is WWE level by Dana, and desperation on their part to save TUF.

Raw Dawgin' it

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Oct 17, 2012 11:24am

robj55;1297555 wrote:Shogun and Rua fight in early december, Hendo vs Machida is rumored for december or january. Texeira could fight Jones right now but will probably fight Rampage in early 2013. Again, this fight between Chael and Jones isn't until almost MAY, all of these fighters would be ready by then as these fights would be over and decided. This is about TUF and ratings, and a huge PPV that will sell. Chael couldn't beat any of those guys I just named, he talked his way into a title shot coming off a tko loss. He is 6-5 in the UFC and hasn't fought at 205 in 7 years. This is WWE level by Dana, and desperation on their part to save TUF.

that's be interesting..

I totally agree it's about TUF ratings and PPV sells

robj55

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Oct 17, 2012 11:29am

Raw Dawgin' it;1297562 wrote:that's be interesting..

I totally agree it's about TUF ratings and PPV sells

lol I meant Shogun and Gustaffson, derp

Raw Dawgin' it

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Oct 17, 2012 11:41am

robj55;1297570 wrote:lol I meant Shogun and Gustaffson, derp

i'd rather see jones give up the belt and take a year to become a heavy weight

I don't think he'd have a problem with Glover or Gus

robj55

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Oct 17, 2012 11:52am

Raw Dawgin' it;1297585 wrote:i'd rather see jones give up the belt and take a year to become a heavy weight

I don't think he'd have a problem with Glover or Gus

I think he will eventually be a HW, he has that frame and will want to test himself. Jones won't have a problem with Chael either though but he is getting a shot. Back to back huge money title fights for Chael, marketability means more than winning now, it's sad.

bigdaddy2003

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Oct 17, 2012 11:53am

I could see Bones having a problem with Glover.

robj55

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Oct 17, 2012 11:57am

All that said I'm still going to tune in because it's going to be entertaining, but the principles of match making have obviously changed.

Enforcer

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Oct 17, 2012 11:02pm

It was announced today next season of TUF will be moved from Fridays, the day it will be shown on has yet to be determined

robj55

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Oct 19, 2012 7:46pm

Forrest will now meet Phil Davis at UFC 155, I like the match up.

robj55

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Oct 19, 2012 7:47pm

Enforcer;1297959 wrote:It was announced today next season of TUF will be moved from Fridays, the day it will be shown on has yet to be determined

This had to be done, it's too much to ask mma fans to stay home friday nights to watch this and saturdays when there are cards.