Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 6, 2011 3:16pm
I think this could be a boring fight. Machida is a counter punch and jones is too smart to engage him. I think it'll be like the jackson fight where he just keeps him at distance. I just don't see Machida risking his chin to get jones to the groundrobj55;923764 wrote:We are in the golden age of MMA, every single event from here on out is going to be ridiculously stacked, there's just too much talent not to be. Hats off to Dana and the UFC, they always deliver. Jones vs Machida is the best fight you can make at 205 imo and could be epic.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 3:29pm
Certainly could be boring, both guys use distance as their focal points, fascinating match up between two technicians however.Raw Dawgin' it;923873 wrote:I think this could be a boring fight. Machida is a counter punch and jones is too smart to engage him. I think it'll be like the jackson fight where he just keeps him at distance. I just don't see Machida risking his chin to get jones to the ground
hoops23
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Oct 6, 2011 4:02pm
Why do people want to see Jones in HW? There is no way he could compete against guys 60 pounds heavier than him.
He's a natural LHW. Tall, wiry, strong.
He's NOT a HW.
He's a natural LHW. Tall, wiry, strong.
He's NOT a HW.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Oct 6, 2011 4:03pm
I feel the same way I don't get all that talk.hoops23;923925 wrote:Why do people want to see Jones in HW? There is no way he could compete against guys 60 pounds heavier than him.
He's a natural LHW. Tall, wiry, strong.
He's NOT a HW.
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I Wear Pants
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Oct 6, 2011 5:37pm
Except they wouldn't be 60lbs heavier than him. Jones probably walks around at 220-230. Cain is like 245lbs I believe.
hoops23
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Oct 6, 2011 5:41pm
Lesnar is 265.
But again, Jones couldn't match the true power of a HW.
I just don't get when you have somebody atop their division why a lot of people want them to move around. 205 has a lot of talent, both current and upcoming, so it's not like Jones doesn't have any "competition", unlike Silva.
But again, Jones couldn't match the true power of a HW.
I just don't get when you have somebody atop their division why a lot of people want them to move around. 205 has a lot of talent, both current and upcoming, so it's not like Jones doesn't have any "competition", unlike Silva.
Hb31187
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Oct 6, 2011 5:49pm
Yeah, I highly doubt Machida and Bones ends up being an entertaining fight at all
hoops23
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Oct 6, 2011 5:55pm
I disagree. I love when two technically sound fighters with an unorthodox style square off. Both Machida and Bones are unpredictable in what their next move may be.Hb31187;924064 wrote:Yeah, I highly doubt Machida and Bones ends up being an entertaining fight at all
It should be fun watching the match develop.
bigdaddy2003
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Oct 6, 2011 5:57pm
I'm kind of interested in it and will buy the ppv but I see where people think it may get boring.
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I Wear Pants
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Oct 6, 2011 5:58pm
Machida is not unpredictable at all. He is very good at avoiding getting hit and has excellent counters. That's about it. I would see that fight as Machida backing up a lot to avoid the takedown and dodging jabs of Jones while trying to time a counter. If he mistimes it a few times he'll get hit and hurt or taken down by Jones and beat on the ground.hoops23;924068 wrote:I disagree. I love when two technically sound fighters with an unorthodox style square off. Both Machida and Bones are unpredictable in what their next move may be.
It should be fun watching the match develop.
Fab1b
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Oct 6, 2011 5:59pm
Lesnar weighs in at 265 probably 280+ by fight time
hoops23
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Oct 6, 2011 6:03pm
I'm trying to sell the fightI Wear Pants;924071 wrote:Machida is not unpredictable at all. He is very good at avoiding getting hit and has excellent counters. That's about it. I would see that fight as Machida backing up a lot to avoid the takedown and dodging jabs of Jones while trying to time a counter. If he mistimes it a few times he'll get hit and hurt or taken down by Jones and beat on the ground.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:03pm
I think Jones could beat 75% of the UFC heavyweights right now, he walks around at a good 230-240 I would say. He is big in the upper body but has chicken legs, give him a few years to add some mass and he could easily compete with any HW's out there. He should go talk to the Reem and become uberJones lol, get on that horse meat diet. As for the Machida/Jones fight, I see Jones winning on points. Machida will have to keep the fight standing, which I think he will for most of the duration. He has the second best active TDD in the UFC behind GSP. I felt like Rampage had opportunities to let loose on Jones but he never did or wasn't quick enough to be able to. Fight comes down to one thing I think, will Jones' reach totally negate Lyoto's distance and timing? Awesome match up though, two fascinating styles and two true mixed martial artists who respect each other.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:06pm
I would tend to disagree, he throws switch kicks, crane kicks and has very good foot sweeps following punches which I haven't seen anyone else do. Not only that but his timing is second to none, but Jones could negate that.I Wear Pants;924071 wrote:Machida is not unpredictable at all. He is very good at avoiding getting hit and has excellent counters. That's about it. I would see that fight as Machida backing up a lot to avoid the takedown and dodging jabs of Jones while trying to time a counter. If he mistimes it a few times he'll get hit and hurt or taken down by Jones and beat on the ground.
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I Wear Pants
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Oct 6, 2011 6:06pm
Jones would be alright against most heavyweights as long as they don't throw leg kicks. Any heavyweight with decent leg kicks could maybe retire Jones via knee destruction.
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I Wear Pants
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Oct 6, 2011 6:06pm
He doesn't throw crane kicks. He has thrown one crane kick. Ever.robj55;924082 wrote:I would tend to disagree, he throws switch kicks, crane kicks and has very good foot sweeps following punches which I haven't seen anyone else do. Not only that but his timing is second to none, but Jones could negate that.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:08pm
easily, probably cuts from north of 300Fab1b;924072 wrote:Lesnar weighs in at 265 probably 280+ by fight time
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:08pm
He has thrown front kicks before in other fights, some have landed and others haven't.I Wear Pants;924085 wrote:He doesn't throw crane kicks. He has thrown one crane kick. Ever.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:09pm
Like the Reem, uberknee!I Wear Pants;924084 wrote:Jones would be alright against most heavyweights as long as they don't throw leg kicks. Any heavyweight with decent leg kicks could maybe retire Jones via knee destruction.
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 6:16pm
you're a big Bones fan, how do you see it?Hb31187;924064 wrote:Yeah, I highly doubt Machida and Bones ends up being an entertaining fight at all
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 6, 2011 7:38pm
I see it going like the Rampage fightrobj55;924095 wrote:you're a big Bones fan, how do you see it?
robj55
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Oct 6, 2011 7:40pm
Lyoto is much harder to hit than Rampage though, and is quicker in and out than Page, so idk.Raw Dawgin' it;924169 wrote:I see it going like the Rampage fight
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Oct 6, 2011 7:46pm
I just think jones is too long and too fast. i think machida needs to take a punch and go randy couture on his ass. dirty box and grapple him and get him to the groundrobj55;924174 wrote:Lyoto is much harder to hit than Rampage though, and is quicker in and out than Page, so idk.
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jmog
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Oct 6, 2011 8:17pm
Saying Machida is predictable is like saying GSP sucks at wrestling because he never wrestled in college.
Don't get me wrong, I see Jones giving Machida a beat down, but Machida is NOT predictable, not even close.
Don't get me wrong, I see Jones giving Machida a beat down, but Machida is NOT predictable, not even close.
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Zoltan
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Oct 6, 2011 8:52pm
You thought bones vs rampage was boring?Raw Dawgin' it;923873 wrote:I think this could be a boring fight. Machida is a counter punch and jones is too smart to engage him. I think it'll be like the jackson fight where he just keeps him at distance. I just don't see Machida risking his chin to get jones to the ground