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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 12, 2012 11:06am
Agreed. It's subjective and the authority to make the determination with regards to what is and what is not respectful has been granted to those who moderate. Some will agree and some will not. That's the nature of subjectivity.sleeper;1049297 wrote:Respectful is a matter of perception....
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 12, 2012 11:09am
It's been around for how long and it only has 200k more posts than the OC. A quick look shows posts from as far back as 2004.sleeper;1049227 wrote:giveupalready.com
Admittedly, this site is basically dead now, but I moderated it about 8-9 years ago at the height of its popularity. I went by the user name "clone".
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 11:11am
Which is why you need moderators who know what they are doing. In my opinion, you don't have any except maybe FFT who is never around anymore, which despite my love for the guy, is a flaw you cannot overlook.Con_Alma;1049305 wrote:Agreed. It's subjective and the authority to make the determination with regards to what is and what is not respectful has been granted to those who moderate. Some will agree and some will not. That's the nature of subjectivity.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 11:13am
There was an issue with the server when a new network administrator came in and they lost a significant chunk of content. Like I said, the forum died about 4-5 years ago because the game associated with the forum went down the shitter.justincredible;1049310 wrote:It's been around for how long and it only has 200k more posts than the OC. A quick look shows posts from as far back as 2004.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 12, 2012 11:13am
Moderators knowing what they are doing might just exist right now. It's possible it's the exact type ofmoderationactivity that Justin wants. You might not.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 11:15am
No, they don't know what they are doing. Clearly if they were doing what Justin wants, this thread would not exist. I rarely see anything that I would constitute as being effective moderation. Despite his inconsistency, C4F is about the only person who actually does any moderating.Con_Alma;1049316 wrote:Moderators knowing what they are doing might just exist right now. It's possible it's the exact type ofmoderationactivity that Justin wants. You might not.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 12, 2012 11:18am
We disagree. There's enough kept off this site to make it entertaining enough forme to come on here. I don't have a need for more or less moderation. It's enough.
Inconsistent or not, I find it sufficient.
Inconsistent or not, I find it sufficient.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 12, 2012 11:21am
I guess I don't really care about "trolling", who is or who isn't as basically there isn't anything in the forum rules that preclude it. But I do have to side with sleeper in regards to moderation of such, there certainly isn't anything that allows anyone insight as to how "trolls" are moderated, or anything for that matter. Other than increasing the likelyhood of posters breaking rules with their responses and requiring increased moderation, he's not breaking any rules.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 12, 2012 11:23am
Error on my part for never officially adding it to the site rules even though there was a thread detailing it and a forum created for it.ytownfootball;1049327 wrote:I guess I don't really care about "trolling", who is or who isn't as basically there isn't anything in the forum rules that preclude it. But I do have to side with sleeper in regards to moderation of such, there certainly isn't anything that allows anyone insight as to how "trolls" are moderated, or anything for that matter. Other than increasing the likelyhood of posters breaking rules with their responses and requiring increased moderation, he's not breaking any rules.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 12, 2012 11:24am
I was going to say, I thought we had a discussion about it in the mod forum.justincredible;1049334 wrote:Error on my part for never officially adding it to the site rules even though there was a thread detailing it and a forum created for it.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 12, 2012 11:25am
Maybe not breaking rules but how this place is moderated isn't necessarily based on what posters want. The site owner decides how he wants it to be moderated and how he wants rules to be enforced. The posters decide if they want to participate or not.ytownfootball;1049327 wrote:.... Other than increasing the likelyhood of posters breaking rules with their responses and requiring increased moderation, he's not breaking any rules.
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Jan 12, 2012 11:26am
That's crazy talk, right there.Con_Alma;1049339 wrote:Maybe not but how this place is moderated isn't necessarily based on what posters want. The site owner decides how he wants it to be moderated and how he wants rules to be enforced. The posters decide if they want to participate or not.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 12, 2012 11:26am
Well yeah I mean those of us who have been around realize this.justincredible;1049334 wrote:Error on my part for never officially adding it to the site rules even though there was a thread detailing it and a forum created for it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 11:26am
Link?justincredible;1049334 wrote:Error on my part for never officially adding it to the site rules even though there was a thread detailing it and a forum created for it.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 12, 2012 11:33am
And the only people we have a problem with are those who have been around long enough to know about it.ytownfootball;1049342 wrote:Well yeah I mean those of us who have been around realize this.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 12, 2012 11:36am
THE4RINGZ;1049341 wrote:That's crazy talk, right there.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 11:58am
Thank you. If anything, I have to follow the rules more closely than others on this forum, because the moderators here are quicker on the trigger to ban me. I don't have a problem with this, as long as the moderators are following the rules that are outlined and not making up rules to fit specific scenarios. The latter happens a lot more than the former unfortunately.ytownfootball;1049327 wrote:I guess I don't really care about "trolling", who is or who isn't as basically there isn't anything in the forum rules that preclude it. But I do have to side with sleeper in regards to moderation of such, there certainly isn't anything that allows anyone insight as to how "trolls" are moderated, or anything for that matter. Other than increasing the likelyhood of posters breaking rules with their responses and requiring increased moderation, he's not breaking any rules.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 12, 2012 12:06pm
Yes, however as justin stated we do all know that the basement was created specifically for that purpose. It's only a point of parliamentary procedure and he's only a script line or two from being fully compliant
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 12:10pm
The basement solves nothing. It's flawed logic if Justin thinks that creating a forum where everyone can get into pissing matches will solve any of the problems mentioned in this thread.ytownfootball;1049403 wrote:Yes, however as justin stated we do all know that the basement was created specifically for that purpose. It's only a point of parliamentary procedure and he's only a script line or two from being fully compliant
Having a clear mandate of what is acceptable and applying that mandate to ALL USERS is the only way to fix the issues at hand. Also, finding moderators that can do this consistently will go a long way in increasing the quality of this forum and attracting new blood.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 12, 2012 12:16pm
Will you be a moderator?sleeper;1049406 wrote:The basement solves nothing. It's flawed logic if Justin thinks that creating a forum where everyone can get into pissing matches will solve any of the problems mentioned in this thread.
Having a clear mandate of what is acceptable and applying that mandate to ALL USERS is the only way to fix the issues at hand. Also, finding moderators that can do this consistently will go a long way in increasing the quality of this forum and attracting new blood.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 12, 2012 12:25pm
Yes.justincredible;1049423 wrote:Will you be a moderator?
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 12, 2012 12:30pm
ytownfootball;1049273 wrote:I don't disagree with that, but I think it's more difficult to gain those types of posters by recruitment/advertising then it is say through high school forums and accepting the overflow into the other forums. Seems like trying to put a roof on a house when you haven't built the basement.
He built a basement already. Capone lives there
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Jan 12, 2012 12:48pm
Justin, are you going to move the basement, so it is easier to see in the forums?ytownfootball;1049403 wrote:Yes, however as justin stated we do all know that the basement was created specifically for that purpose.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 12, 2012 1:19pm
justincredible;1049423 wrote:Will you be a moderator?
...and this shall end my time on the OC-- thank you.sleeper;1049437 wrote:Yes.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 12, 2012 1:20pm
You thought I was serious? I kinda want to ban you but I won't because you didn't break a rule and I am a fair and just administrator.vball10set;1049552 wrote:...and this shall end my time on the OC-- thank you.