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Jul 12, 2012 1:45 AM
DeyDurkie5;1223781 wrote:You have to take risks sometimes. Throw the 2nd or third at him and hope it pans out. **** it.
This. We need playmakers. The dude can play.
Jul 11, 2012 9:45pm
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Jul 12, 2012 1:57 AM
shook_17;1223836 wrote:This. We need playmakers. The dude can play.
He can? One 700 yd season tells you that? You're way more optimistic than I am.
Jul 11, 2012 9:57pm
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Jul 12, 2012 1:59 AM
Commander of Awesome;1223846 wrote:He can? One 700 yd season tells you that? You're way more optimistic than I am.
He was a playmaker at Baylor. Not like we are throwing our future drafts for him. Can't always play it safe.
Jul 11, 2012 9:59pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:05 AM
DeyDurkie5;1223849 wrote:He was a playmaker at Baylor. Not like we are throwing our future drafts for him. Can't always play it safe.
1 700 yd season is a playmaker?
Jul 11, 2012 10:05pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:08 AM
Commander of Awesome;1223853 wrote:1 700 yd season is a playmaker?
For that season, yeah he was. Tom Brady surely wasn't a playmaker, why on earth did the pats draft him! It's not about stats, it's about his mentality, and skills. He seems to have skills as a decent amount of teams are interested in him.
Jul 11, 2012 10:08pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:11 AM
lol using an exception (tom brady) as an arguement means you lost.
Jul 11, 2012 10:11pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:12 AM
DeyDurkie5;1223781 wrote:You have to take risks sometimes. Throw the 2nd or third at him and hope it pans out. **** it.
+1000
Jul 11, 2012 10:12pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:12 AM
Commander of Awesome;1223857 wrote:lol using an exception (tom brady) as an arguement means you lost.
It really doesn't. Before they drafted him, no one knew what he would become. It's called taking a look at what his skills are and seeing if they would be able to adjust to the NFL. Also, does he have the mentality of a winner or someone that could succeed in the NFL. You basing your mentality as "oh he only had this many yards in college, he automatically sucks" is awful and means you lost.
Jul 11, 2012 10:12pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:23 AM
lolk durkie. You're right, since Tom Brady succeeded in the NFL that means he will at WR.
Jul 11, 2012 10:23pm
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Jul 12, 2012 2:27 AM
Commander of Awesome;1223867 wrote:lolk durkie. You're right, since Tom Brady succeeded in the NFL that means he will at WR.
Nice fail on not grasping the point commander. For being the best pwner on the internet, you surely don't get much.
Jul 11, 2012 10:27pm
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Jul 12, 2012 3:11 AM
BR1986FB;1223417 wrote:Sounds like RGIII is pushing Dan Snyder to go after Gordon in the Supplemental Draft. If they do, they will likely have to use a 2nd rounder which would mean no picks until the 3rd round of next years' draft for Washington.
"The future is now!" - George Allen. Former Skins coach. Only the old folk will understand the meaning here. Although if curious, google Allen's decimation of their drafts.
Jul 11, 2012 11:11pm
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Jul 12, 2012 9:02 AM
Commander of Awesome;1223853 wrote:1 700 yd season is a playmaker?
Guy is getting a lot of favorable talk. Hearing a lot of comparisons to AJ Green.
Jul 12, 2012 5:02am
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Jul 12, 2012 9:16 AM
Enough said....

Jul 12, 2012 5:16am
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Jul 12, 2012 11:43 AM
I may be warming up to throwing a 3rd at Gordon. If they can get a possible #1 WR for a future 3rd round pick I'd be cool with it. A 2nd is too risky, imo. Depending on their record this year that 2nd could be similar to a late 1st rounder (top of the 2nd). I think they'll be better than a bottom feeder this season but still too much risk.

3rd rounders are never "locks" anyhow. Since Heckert's been drafting they've selected McCoy, Lauvao & Hughes.

Heckert is VERY familiar with the Baylor program (scouted Phil Taylor, RGIII, Kendall Wright) so I'm sure in his visits/film viewing he got some looks at Gordon.
Jul 12, 2012 7:43am
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Jul 12, 2012 1:49 PM
Report: Josh Gordon may be "overhyped"

Posted by Mike Florio on July 11, 2012, 6:02 PM EDT

We asked the question on Tuesday, and a pair of unnamed league sources (via Albert Breer of NFL Network) answered it on Wednesday.

Is former Baylor receiver Josh Gordon being overhyped?

Breer says that an unnamed executive and an unnamed scout used the same word to describe Gordon: “Overhyped.” They also said he would have gone somewhere between round five and round seven in the April draft, if he’d been part of the process then.

Of course, part of the process now is the same as part of the process then. Teams that want to see someone burn a higher pick than they should will talk a guy up. Teams that want to see the guy still there at the round where they may try to get him will say things like, “He’s overhyped.”

The wild-card for many teams is the owner. If he becomes smitten with a player, he may apply pressure to the front office to make a move prematurely.

And so no one ever tells the whole truth about the draft. Actually, there’s an even greater incentive to misdirect competitors in the supplemental draft, since it removes a pick from the process for the following April, pushing the pool of available players another step closer to the awaiting arms of the other 31 teams.
Jul 12, 2012 9:49am
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Jul 12, 2012 1:50 PM
Doesn't this guy sound a lot like Carlton Mitchell coming out of USF?

Mitchell - 6'3", 215lbs, 10 5/8" hands, 4.49 speed, 122" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 40 catches, 706 yards, 4 TDs

Gordon - 6'3", 220lbs, 10" hands, 4.52 speed, 121" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 42 catches, 714 yards, 7 TDs

Mitchell was drafted in the sixth round and to my knowledge didn't have the character red flags that Gordon does.

I guess I'm missing something? I've never seen the kid play but this appears to be one of those perfect hype storms where the kid is literally the only thing going on football wise right now with the NFL.

Feels too much like overhype to me.

I do know that every supplemental draft there is a prospect where the media/fans put rank him at least 2 rounds higher than any team. I remember discussions of Manuel Wright with our 2nd, and Ahmad Brooks in the first.
Jul 12, 2012 9:50am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:03 PM
Commander of Awesome;1224050 wrote:Doesn't this guy sound a lot like Carlton Mitchell coming out of USF?

Mitchell - 6'3", 215lbs, 10 5/8" hands, 4.49 speed, 122" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 40 catches, 706 yards, 4 TDs

Gordon - 6'3", 220lbs, 10" hands, 4.52 speed, 121" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 42 catches, 714 yards, 7 TDs

Mitchell was drafted in the sixth round and to my knowledge didn't have the character red flags that Gordon does.

I guess I'm missing something? I've never seen the kid play but this appears to be one of those perfect hype storms where the kid is literally the only thing going on football wise right now with the NFL.

Feels too much like overhype to me.

I do know that every supplemental draft there is a prospect where the media/fans put rank him at least 2 rounds higher than any team. I remember discussions of Manuel Wright with our 2nd, and Ahmad Brooks in the first.
Never heard Mitchell compared to AJ Green.
Jul 12, 2012 10:03am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:16 PM
Commander of Awesome;1224050 wrote:Doesn't this guy sound a lot like Carlton Mitchell coming out of USF?

Mitchell - 6'3", 215lbs, 10 5/8" hands, 4.49 speed, 122" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 40 catches, 706 yards, 4 TDs

Gordon - 6'3", 220lbs, 10" hands, 4.52 speed, 121" broad jump
Final Year of College Football - 42 catches, 714 yards, 7 TDs

Mitchell was drafted in the sixth round and to my knowledge didn't have the character red flags that Gordon does.

I guess I'm missing something? I've never seen the kid play but this appears to be one of those perfect hype storms where the kid is literally the only thing going on football wise right now with the NFL.

Feels too much like overhype to me.

I do know that every supplemental draft there is a prospect where the media/fans put rank him at least 2 rounds higher than any team. I remember discussions of Manuel Wright with our 2nd, and Ahmad Brooks in the first.
I've also heard that Gordon can catch a football as compared to Mitchell and when you are getting comparisons to AJ Green then I would seriously consider throwing a 3rd in the supplemental draft for him
Jul 12, 2012 10:16am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:17 PM
Where are these comparisons to Green, and who has been saying it?
Jul 12, 2012 10:17am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:30 PM
Hmm, I'm unconvinced. AJ Green "Like" potential HAD he stayed is hardly comparing him to AJ Green IMO. I get that we need playmakers, ESP at WRs but spending a 3rd round pick on this guy seems desperate to me. Basically throwing a hail mary and hoping it works out.

Also its one "unnamed" scout scoure, hardly a ringing endorsement IMO.
Jul 12, 2012 10:30am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:36 PM
Commander of Awesome;1224102 wrote:Hmm, I'm unconvinced. AJ Green "Like" potential HAD he stayed is hardly comparing him to AJ Green IMO. I get that we need playmakers, ESP at WRs but spending a 3rd round pick on this guy seems desperate to me. Basically throwing a hail mary and hoping it works out.

Also its one "unnamed" scout scoure, hardly a ringing endorsement IMO.
And exactly WHAT has Heckert done with his 3rd rounders since he's been here? McCoy? LO-FUCKING-L.....Lauvao? This is his "make or break year" and John Hughes? Hughes gets the benefit of the doubt because he hasn't played yet but many considered him a HUGE reach.
Jul 12, 2012 10:36am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:37 PM
We are desperate. A third round pick is worth it.
Jul 12, 2012 10:37am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:39 PM
I just wanting this organization to show some sign of aggression this offseason and going after our biggest position need even if it is taking a big risk on him since we will not sign a vet to mentor our young guys.
Jul 12, 2012 10:39am
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Jul 12, 2012 2:45 PM
bases_loaded;1224115 wrote:We are desperate. A third round pick is worth it.
Great reason to give away a third rounder...
Jul 12, 2012 10:45am