Footwedge;1210050 wrote:Don't see it. He couldn't catch McCoy's splooge balls...how's he gonna handle the heat?

The kid that will start and surprise is the undrafted dude that played with Weedon. Chemistry. And the speed guy from Miami is gonna make some huge plays.

hoops23;1210053 wrote:
I played WR in HS and will tell you as well as anybody who played(s) the position that catching rocket passes are easier than ducks/lobs.

hoops23;1210053 wrote:61 receptions and over 700 yards. His stats are comparable to top tier rookie WR's who had the benefit of an overall better QB.

I played WR in HS and will tell you as well as anybody who played(s) the position that catching rocket passes are easier than ducks/lobs.

Pick6;1210139 wrote:jesus christ you guys are acting like McCoy throws the ball at the level of a freshman QB in high school.

BR1986FB;1210159 wrote:Not at a HS level but you're going to see an significant improvement in the number of drops just due to the fact that they will be seeing a legit NFL ball thrown their way. This subject was brought up a few months ago and I was "reaching" and "hating" for making the comment.

BR1986FB;1210159 wrote:Not at a HS level but you're going to see an significant improvement in the number of drops just due to the fact that they will be seeing a legit NFL ball thrown their way. This subject was brought up a few months ago and I was "reaching" and "hating" for making the comment.

Footwedge;1210268 wrote:You and Hoops are definitely reaching. Dropped passes are...drum roll...dropped passes. Last year the man pulled a Braylon Edwards all year. For as many balls thrown his way, 700 yards is nothing to brag about. At all. Something like 45 yards per game. I can't stand people who play like Braylon Edwards.

I agree that pro receivers should be able to handle tight spirals. The good ones do. My point is that if you can't handle touch passes, then you can't handle tight spirals either. I played my share of receiver too. I played my share of basketball as well...and bullet passes are not easier than touch passes to catch. To say that it is, is nonsense.

With all that said, yes Little has the other tools needed to be a good receiver. However, last year, he was was responsible for more 3 and outs than any receiver in pro football. That needs to change.

If that does change, I'll be the first one congratulate him.

SportsAndLady;1210231 wrote:lol, we haven't even seen Weeden in the NFL, and you're already claiming he has a legit NFL throw?

How many times do I have to say it on here: just because you did it in college, doesn't mean you can do it in the NFL!

Crimson streak;1210311 wrote:You gotta remember He didn't play for a whole year due to NCAA infractions.

I'm not concerned with the drops.

And a tight spiral hard throw can definitely be easier to catch then a touch pass

Footwedge;1210386 wrote: I am...big time. Nonsense. Pure physics dictates otherwise. Why do all running back coaches/quarteback coaches prefer a wobble or and end over end when the q'back pitches to a running back?

BR1986FB;1210452 wrote:No...THIS is nonsense. Find me a WR who prefers catching passes that are wobbling, wounded ducks over a tight spiral and I'll show you a) a pussy of a receiver who's afraid they are going to get their hands hurt by the velocity of the throw (of a tight spiral) and b) most likely a pretty shitty receiver. NO receiver likes to have to wait for a flapping duck to arrive versus being hit, in stride, by a well thrown ball. A guy who would prefer that "wobble" is also more likely a "body catcher" than someone who snags the ball with his hands.

hoops23;1210456 wrote:Bingo.

The only time you want a lob is 5 yards or less or when you're running a deep route and the QB is able to loft it over the defender and hit you in stride...

Curls, slants, and anything else over the middle, hit me with a laser. Nobody likes to go over the middle to catch a lob knowing you're about to get lit up waiting for the ball.

BR1986FB;1210452 wrote:No...THIS is nonsense. Find me a WR who prefers catching passes that are wobbling, wounded ducks over a tight spiral and I'll show you a) a **** of a receiver who's afraid they are going to get their hands hurt by the velocity of the throw (of a tight spiral) and b) most likely a pretty ****ty receiver. NO receiver likes to have to wait for a flapping duck to arrive versus being hit, in stride, by a well thrown ball. A guy who would prefer that "wobble" is also more likely a "body catcher" than someone who snags the ball with his hands.

Footwedge;1210386 wrote:I don't see how that makes a difference. But I'll concede the point to you, Hoops and BR.
I am...big time. Nonsense. Pure physics dictates otherwise. Why do all running back coaches/quarteback coaches prefer a wobble or and end over end when the q'back pitches to a running back?

Like I said above, receivers with good hands will catch everything. Last year, Little was pathetic...as in aweful. that concerns me.

A pet peeve of mine has to do with dropped passes. I remember Northcutt's drop against Pittspuke in the playoffs like it was yesterday. Beating Pittspuke in the playoffs...in their back yard...would have been landmark. To me just as big as the 2 playoff losses to Elway in the 80's.

Northcutt dropped a sure game winning first down. Right in his hands. A high school kid catches that 24 out of 25 times (even Hoops]...and the Browns would have been in kneel down formation as 70,000 Steeler fans would have headed for the exits wiping away the tears with the urine colored terrible towels...or as they say in Pittspuke land... tolls...with a short a.

BR1986FB;1210345 wrote:Yeah, because I'll believe the loads of coaches, scouts & analysts saying that Weeden has a noodle arm. :rolleyes:

SportsAndLady;1210497 wrote:Let me clarify...I don't think Weeden will have a "noodle arm"

Just moreso, you can't say he has a strong arm...quite yet.

I think that is fair..

like_that;1210502 wrote:I've been on your side with the QB argument the whole time, but I have to disagree here. You either have a strong arm or you don't. It's pretty easy to determine that after one practice.

SportsAndLady;1210504 wrote:He definitely has a strong arm. J Russell had a strong arm.

Just saying there's a difference between having a strong NCAA arm, and a strong NFL arm.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1210488 wrote:This dude was obviously never on the receiving end of thrown passes. You're talking about pure physics? Would you rather hit a fastball or a knuckleball, because wobbling passes tend to knuckle quite a bit. Any skilled wide receiver would tell you that they want a crisp, tight-spiralled, hard thrown ball. This shouldn't even be a conversation.

Footwedge;1210616 wrote:Comparing a knuckleball to a fastball? Are you for real? We are talking about catching a football here. Not hitting a frieking baseball. My physics analysis is dead on. And for the record, I caught thousands of passes as a wide receiver. Thousands. Our generation played street football just about every day during the season. Your generation is really good at X-Box...I know.

BR1986FB;1210452 wrote:No...THIS is nonsense. Find me a WR who prefers catching passes that are wobbling, wounded ducks over a tight spiral and I'll show you a) a pussy of a receiver who's afraid they are going to get their hands hurt by the velocity of the throw (of a tight spiral) and b) most likely a pretty shitty receiver. NO receiver likes to have to wait for a flapping duck to arrive versus being hit, in stride, by a well thrown ball. A guy who would prefer that "wobble" is also more likely a "body catcher" than someone who snags the ball with his hands.