Footwedge;1210624 wrote:In real life...not even Peyton or Brady do that on a consistant basis.

Yes the do, thats the reason they get paid the big bucks.

Footwedge;1210616 wrote:Comparing a knuckleball to a fastball? Are you for real? We are talking about catching a football here. Not hitting a frieking baseball. My physics analysis is dead on. And for the record, I caught thousands of passes as a wide receiver. Thousands. Our generation played street football just about every day during the season. Your generation is really good at X-Box...I know.

Is that really how you read my post? I was comparing a tight-spiraled, hard-thrown pass to a fastball... and a wobbling, poorly-thrown pass to a knuckleball. The point I was trying to make is that a wobbling pass is more difficult to catch because often times the movement of the ball happens so quickly that it is unpredictable, whereas a tight-spiraled pass is much more easier to judge. Your evaluation of physics is inadequate at best as there are obviously MANY more factors that go into the "catchability" of thrown balls as well. Additionally, maybe it is much easier for you, a low-level, street wide receiver, to catch poorly thrown balls since that is what you caught all of your life. However, I would venture to guess that Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter would all strongly disagree with your hypothesis.

Commander of Awesome;1210646 wrote:Yes the do, thats the reason they get paid the big bucks.

Agreed... top tier QBs are top tier because they CAN put the ball where they want. Not saying Weeden will be top tier, but if he could time up and hit clay pigeons, pretty sure Brady and Peyton could consistently put the ball where they intend to.

Street football. lol

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1210658 wrote:Is that really how you read my post? I was comparing a tight-spiraled, hard-thrown pass to a fastball... and a wobbling, poorly-thrown pass to a knuckleball. The point I was trying to make is that a wobbling pass is more difficult to catch because often times the movement of the ball happens so quickly that it is unpredictable, whereas a tight-spiraled pass is much more easier to judge. Your evaluation of physics is inadequate at best as there are obviously MANY more factors that go into the "catchability" of thrown balls as well. Additionally, maybe it is much easier for you, a low-level, street wide receiver, to catch poorly thrown balls since that is what you caught all of your life. However, I would venture to guess that Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter would all strongly disagree with your hypothesis.

Bwaaaahhhaaa. I read your crap the way you posted it. You compared hitting a knuckleball to catching a wobbly football.

But yes sir...I was dynamite at street football.

Jerry Rice, Brown and Carter didn't drop anything in the day. But I will guarantee you that none of them would lay claim that softer passes were harder to catch than bullet passes...provided each was in stride and on the money.

And you call yourself Knowitall? You should be bant!!

Mulva;1210665 wrote:Street football. lol

You 23 year olds missed out on a lot...I'm tellin ya. We suck at tweeting tho.

Commander of Awesome;1210646 wrote:Yes the do, thats the reason they get paid the big bucks.

#they

Obviously I meant every single pass, duh...

Footwedge;1210624 wrote:So...all of McCoy's passes were wobblers? Wounded ducks? Really? No shit receivers want the ball thrown in there. And yes, they want to catch it with their hands. Duh.

If you are suggesting that Weedon will throw more perfect passes...as in right on the money than McCoy...then OK. In real life...not even Peyton or Brady do that on a consistant basis.

Look...the dude dropped a lot of passes. I hope he improves. If it does improve, it will have nothing to do with the zip..or lack thereof of McCoy. You act as if all of his drops were due to wounded ducks. Well, they weren't.

The first time Weedon hits him in the hands...and then the ball deflects into the waiting arms of a dee back, I'm going to remember this thread and do a bumperoo.

Man, give it up. You just implied that "street football" passes are comparable to the pass an NFL or college QB throws.

I may be a notch below of the group you guys consider "old timers" but I think I'm going to distance myself from some of the stuff you're posting. It's getting more & more ridiculous. Little has a few drops his rookie year, while doing MANY other good things, and you're ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

In the "did not know" depratment, the NFL is hosting it's rookie symposium about 10 minutes away from my office in Aurora, Ohio. Heard Ross Tucker talking about this on the drive in. I guess he and Michael Vick will be speaking to the rookies (together) for about 20 minutes this morning.

BR1986FB;1210863 wrote:In the "did not know" depratment, the NFL is hosting it's rookie symposium about 10 minutes away from my office in Aurora, Ohio. Heard Ross Tucker talking about this on the drive in. I guess he and Michael Vick will be speaking to the rookies (together) for about 20 minutes this morning.

Vick is a great model to speak to the rookies. /sarcasm

like_that;1210869 wrote:Vick is a great model to speak to the rookies. /sarcasm

I know it was sarcasm but Vick's segment is called "Bigger than the game." Basically a "what not to do" as a rookie or in your career for that matter.

And, by the way, there's a typo in my spelling above. Should be "department."

Sounds like Goodell wants all of the rookies to go to Canton to see the HOF, firsthand.

5. The Cleveland Browns have a problem--what to do with Colt McCoy? Every report and tweet from anyone close to the team clearly indicates that rookie Brandon Weeden is going to be the starting quarterback to begin the season; his arm strength, accuracy, and ability to orchestrate the offense are all vastly superior according to nearly every onlooker. McCoy can ostensibly still hold onto the starting gig with a great preseason, but even that tenure would only last until the team feels Weeden is ready to take over.

I don't envy Browns President Mike Holmgren on this one. Colt McCoy is everything coaches, fans and teammates want in a starting quarterback. He is a natural leader with great personal qualities. McCoy took the initiative to organize and stage team workouts during the lockout last summer. He's affable, intelligent, good looking, and comfortable with the press. Alas, he's just not that good a quarterback, lacking the decisiveness and arm strength to handle the West Coast system that greatly emphasizes the former and downplays the latter.

Teams simply do not make deals for backup quarterbacks in training camp, certainly not when there are experienced veterans still on the market and the rookie crop has yet to be legitimately tested. Outright cutting McCoy is something that no parties involved desire, even though in a fair fight Seneca Wallace would likely beat out McCoy for the top backup job. But the longer McCoy lingers in the conversation, the more detrimental his presence becomes. I liken it to the David Garrard situation in Jacksonville last year, or Kyle Orton in Denver; once it was clear the team was going with the younger option with greater potential, the best option was to jettison the former starter. It takes away any controversy and shows the team they believe in the youngster. It shows the fans the team is looking forward and trying to improve, even if the short-term prognosis might take a bit of a hit. Like it or not, every day Colt McCoy is in Cleveland is a symbol of a failed franchise that is too reluctant to make a bold move, too hesitant to make the tough decision that might alienate some feeble fans. If this team truly wants to step forward, they must sever ties with Colt McCoy in some fashion, be it trade or release, before training camp convenes next month.

6. If the state of Texas ever wants to increase its coffers, legalized gambling is the answer. At the border with Oklahoma on I-35 there is a giant, Vegas-style casino whose parking lot was packed near 100% with cars from Texas. I've found the same phenomenon along I-10 at the Louisiana border as well. Texans spend more on lottery tickets per capita than all but two other states, and Texas has a great deal of capita. If my home state of Ohio can finally acquiesce to both demand and common sense and allow casino gambling, surely my adopted state of Texas can do the same. It makes no sense for all that potential revenue and tourist dollars to flow over the border.
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24th June, 2012 - 7:14 pmPro Football Talk - The Packers have a deep group of wide receivers, leading James Jones to often find his name in trade rumors.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns are not one of the teams involved in any such conversation. [READ]
Read more: http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/27758/20120624/browns_not_interested_in_trading_for_james_jones/#ixzz1yoh6CRty

Commander of Awesome;1210952 wrote:24th June, 2012 - 7:14 pmPro Football Talk - The Packers have a deep group of wide receivers, leading James Jones to often find his name in trade rumors.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns are not one of the teams involved in any such conversation. [READ]
Read more: http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/27758/20120624/browns_not_interested_in_trading_for_james_jones/#ixzz1yoh6CRty

Old Holmgren seems tickled shitless with this receiving crew.

Crypt Keeper predicts the records....

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/59735/2012-wins-more-or-less

BR1986FB;1210954 wrote:Old Holmgren seems tickled ****less with this receiving crew.

I think Little will definitely improve from last year, and he certainly has the physical attributes to be a legitimate wide receiving threat in the NFL. With that said, I don't think he's a vertical receiver, which really makes the need for a James Jones type guy something that we still need to confirm. Holgrem and Heckert seem content on Benjamin or Massaquoi being that player, so it will be interesting to see what happens. A potential legitimate running threat and a field-stretching wide receiver could certainly open things up underneath for Little, and we could see him flourish in that role if we can get him the football.

BR1986FB;1210959 wrote:Crypt Keeper predicts the records....

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/59735/2012-wins-more-or-less

Good I want to be low on the radar.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1210967 wrote:I think Little will definitely improve from last year, and he certainly has the physical attributes to be a legitimate wide receiving threat in the NFL. With that said, I don't think he's a vertical receiver, which really makes the need for a James Jones type guy something that we still need to confirm. Holgrem and Heckert seem content on Benjamin or Massaquoi being that player, so it will be interesting to see what happens. A potential legitimate running threat and a field-stretching wide receiver could certainly open things up underneath for Little, and we could see him flourish in that role if we can get him the football.

I think that Little is a VERY solid #2 but I get this strange feeling that this front office thinks he's a #1 with MoMass being a #2. I'd say #2 on Little with Massaquoi being a #3.

Commander of Awesome;1210968 wrote:Good I want to be low on the radar.

Yeah, a lot of selective memory in how tough this team played the division last year. I think they will get at least 2 wins out of the division alone this season.

BR1986FB;1210972 wrote:Yeah, a lot of selective memory in how tough this team played the division last year. I think they will get at least 2 wins out of the division alone this season.

Yeah he basically played it safe and went with same results from this season.

BR1986FB;1210969 wrote:I think that Little is a VERY solid #2 but I get this strange feeling that this front office thinks he's a #1 with MoMass being a #2. I'd say #2 on Little with Massaquoi being a #3.

I agree. Putting Little on the outside was successful a few times last year, but that is not where he is best suited. It's like every once in a while putting Gronkowski out wide because of the matchups, but Gronk normally stays in the middle of the field. I agree completely, Little could be a dynamic number 2, but we are lacking a 1 so it seems they will try to fit MoMass or Benjamin in that role. IMO, MoMass is a #3 at best, and Benjamin is too small to play the #1, but his speed could make him serviceable (remember Kevin Johnson?). It will be interesting to see how things shake out.

BR1986FB;1210863 wrote:In the "did not know" depratment, the NFL is hosting it's rookie symposium about 10 minutes away from my office in Aurora, Ohio. Heard Ross Tucker talking about this on the drive in. I guess he and Michael Vick will be speaking to the rookies (together) for about 20 minutes this morning.

"Pacman" Jones spoke at this also.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1210989 wrote:I agree. Putting Little on the outside was successful a few times last year, but that is not where he is best suited. It's like every once in a while putting Gronkowski out wide because of the matchups, but Gronk normally stays in the middle of the field. I agree completely, Little could be a dynamic number 2, but we are lacking a 1 so it seems they will try to fit MoMass or Benjamin in that role. IMO, MoMass is a #3 at best, and Benjamin is too small to play the #1, but his speed could make him serviceable (remember Kevin Johnson?). It will be interesting to see how things shake out.

Not comparing abilities but Benjamin measures very closely to Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson who I think people could consider a #1. Wallace is 5'10" 195 (4.33 40 at combine) and Jackson is 5'10" 175lbs (4.35 40 at combine) while Benajmin is 5'10" 175 (4.36 40 at combine).

mucalum49;1211036 wrote:Not comparing abilities but Benjamin measures very closely to Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson who I think people could consider a #1. Wallace is 5'10" 195 (4.33 40 at combine) and Jackson is 5'10" 175lbs (4.35 40 at combine) while Benajmin is 5'10" 175 (4.36 40 at combine).

I don't care WHAT they call Benjamin as long as he can stretch the field, open up this offense and catch the ball.

mucalum49;1211036 wrote:Not comparing abilities but Benjamin measures very closely to Mike Wallace and Desean Jackson who I think people could consider a #1. Wallace is 5'10" 195 (4.33 40 at combine) and Jackson is 5'10" 175lbs (4.35 40 at combine) while Benajmin is 5'10" 175 (4.36 40 at combine).

Great point! DeSean has proven to be somewhat one dimensional, but Wallace is certainly a dynamic WR in the league. Let's hope and pray that Benjamin is indeed a diamond in the rough!