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May 15, 2012 6:42 PM
When is the last time a team went 2-14 and were drafting outside the top 2?

The second point is an educated assumption...the top QB is a better pick at the time than the third QB
May 15, 2012 2:42pm
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May 15, 2012 6:47 PM
SportsAndLady;1172010 wrote: b)the top QB next year isnt gonna be better than the 3rd QB this year? Come on...

You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.
May 15, 2012 2:47pm
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May 15, 2012 6:52 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.

lol booom
May 15, 2012 2:52pm
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May 15, 2012 7:07 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.
Reps, would read again.
May 15, 2012 3:07pm
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May 15, 2012 7:27 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.
A+ post... Would rep again.
May 15, 2012 3:27pm
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May 15, 2012 7:38 PM
Iliketurtles;1172087 wrote:A+ post... Would rep again.
You can't rep same post twice, I've tried. Learn the rules.
May 15, 2012 3:38pm
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May 15, 2012 7:42 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.

Lol reps
May 15, 2012 3:42pm
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May 15, 2012 10:31 PM
So I'm listening to Pat Kirwin on the way home from work and he has this Dolphins "fan" call into his show. This guy proceeds to say that after 36 years of being a Dolphins "fan" he was fed up and since they will "never win anything" he's switched teams. His family is a bunch of longtime Fins fans. He shows up at a family football party sporting the jersey of the new team he's chosen to bandwagon onto....the Steelers. Almost threw up....SMH
May 15, 2012 6:31pm
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May 15, 2012 10:40 PM
BR1986FB;1172195 wrote:So I'm listening to Pat Kirwin on the way home from work and he has this Dolphins "fan" call into his show. This guy proceeds to say that after 36 years of being a Dolphins "fan" he was fed up and since they will "never win anything" he's switched teams. His family is a bunch of longtime Fins fans. He shows up at a family football party sporting the jersey of the new team he's chosen to bandwagon onto....the Steelers. Almost threw up....SMH
Pretty much sums up 95% of Steelers fans outside of Western PA.
May 15, 2012 6:40pm
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May 15, 2012 11:09 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.

Boom shakalaka
May 15, 2012 7:09pm
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May 15, 2012 11:22 PM
BR1986FB;1172195 wrote:So I'm listening to Pat Kirwin on the way home from work and he has this Dolphins "fan" call into his show. This guy proceeds to say that after 36 years of being a Dolphins "fan" he was fed up and since they will "never win anything" he's switched teams. His family is a bunch of longtime Fins fans. He shows up at a family football party sporting the jersey of the new team he's chosen to bandwagon onto....the Steelers. Almost threw up....SMH
What a fucking scumbag POS. (relax mods, I'm talking about the random guy on the radio, not even posters on here. Don't get panties in a bunch/trigger happy [looking at you Cry4Fail])
May 15, 2012 7:22pm
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May 15, 2012 11:27 PM
Commander of Awesome;1172212 wrote:What a fucking scumbag POS. (relax mods, I'm talking about the random guy on the radio, not even posters on here. Don't get panties in a bunch/trigger happy [looking at you Cry4Fail])
Even the Steelers fans from Pittsburgh who I know (also Pirates, Penguins, etc fans) can't stand the Ohio bandwagoners who are Steelers, OSU, Cavs & Tribe fans. They wish these "fans" would just go away and wouldn't be associated with the Pittsburgh teams. These are the Steeler fans who I have some respect for.
May 15, 2012 7:27pm
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May 15, 2012 11:29 PM
BR1986FB;1172218 wrote:Even the Steelers fans from Pittsburgh who I know (also Pirates, Penguins, etc fans) can't stand the Ohio bandwagoners who are Steelers, OSU, Cavs & Tribe fans. They wish these "fans" would just go away and wouldn't be associated with the Pittsburgh teams. These are the Steeler fans who I have some respect for.
Thats true, not all steelers fans are bad. I like Heretic. Also kind of have to like the owener, one of two who voted about scumbagpos modell with the move.

Side note, when the browns win the SB next season (2013) I will hate all the browns bandwagoners as well.
May 15, 2012 7:29pm
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May 15, 2012 11:35 PM
Commander of Awesome;1172222 wrote:Thats true, not all steelers fans are bad. I like Heretic. Also kind of have to like the owener, one of two who voted about scumbagpos modell with the move.

Side note, when the browns win the SB next season (2013) I will hate all the browns bandwagoners as well.
I have no issue with the "true" Steelers fans. It's the punk kids who bandwagoned onto the Tribe when they had their run in the late 90's, the Cavs when Judas was here and the Steelers because the Browns were gone. You try to explain it to them that if they were "true" Pittsburgh fans they's loathe everything Cleveland just like Cleveland fans loathe Pittsburgh. Knowing/understanding the history, you CAN'T be both.
May 15, 2012 7:35pm
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May 15, 2012 11:37 PM
BR1986FB;1172235 wrote: you CAN'T be both.
Non and automatik disagree.
May 15, 2012 7:37pm
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May 15, 2012 11:41 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.
Obviously you can't read..I said best pick at that time. As in, when you're drafting, the #1 QB of the class is a better pick than the 3rd QB of the class....even though the #3 might be the better QB in the end.

And LOL @ Sam Bradford not being better than Josh Freeman
May 15, 2012 7:41pm
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May 15, 2012 11:41 PM
Commander of Awesome;1172242 wrote:Non and automatik disagree.
If you're a 'true" Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Los Angeles/Chicago (insert city with multiple sports teams) fan, you're ALL in, imo.

That's why I'm cool with the Steelers fans who also are diehard Penguins & Pirates fans. They aren't picking & choosing only winners because God knows the Pirates sure haven't been. It's the Steelers/Lakers/Yankees fans (as an example) that I want to club like a baby seal.
May 15, 2012 7:41pm
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May 15, 2012 11:42 PM
SportsAndLady;1172251 wrote:Obviously you can't read..I said best pick at that time. As in, when you're drafting, the #1 QB of the class is a better pick than the 3rd QB of the class....even though the #3 might be the better QB in the end.

And LOL @ Sam Bradford not being better than Josh Freeman
That's not a lol. That's an "oh shit I failed and trying to save face" post.
May 15, 2012 7:42pm
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May 15, 2012 11:42 PM
BR1986FB;1172252 wrote:If you're a 'true" Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Los Angeles/Chicago (insert city with multiple sports teams) fan, you're ALL in, imo.

That's why I'm cool with the Steelers fans who also are diehard Penguins & Pirates fans. They aren't picking & choosing only winners because God knows the Pirates sure haven't been. It's the Steelers/Lakers/Yankees fans (as an example) that I want to club like a baby seal.
Amen brother.
May 15, 2012 7:42pm
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May 15, 2012 11:42 PM
shook_17;1172034 wrote:lol booom
Commander of Awesome;1172056 wrote:Reps, would read again.
Iliketurtles;1172087 wrote:A+ post... Would rep again.
Commander of Awesome;1172105 wrote:You can't rep same post twice, I've tried. Learn the rules.
Crimson streak;1172110 wrote:Lol reps
Seriously guys?

His post wasn't even what I was talking about. It was 33% untrue (Freeman better than Bradford).

And this is the same guy who said he watches and knows more football than all of us do combined LOL
May 15, 2012 7:42pm
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May 15, 2012 11:43 PM
SportsAndLady;1172256 wrote:Seriously guys?

His post wasn't even what I was talking about. It was 33% untrue (Freeman better than Bradford).

And this is the same guy who said he watches and knows more football than all of us do combined LOL (That is a fail if he said that though)
A pwn is a pwn. And his post was a pwn. Just admit it, and move on.
May 15, 2012 7:43pm
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May 15, 2012 11:45 PM
Commander of Awesome;1172253 wrote:That's not a lol. That's an "oh shit I failed and trying to save face" post.
I didn't fail. I'm saying:

Which would you rather have: the #1 QB in the class or the #3?

That's WHEN YOU ARE DRAFTING. Not 5 years later. Obviously I fucking know that the #1 overall QB isn't always better than the others. Jesus
May 15, 2012 7:45pm
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May 15, 2012 11:46 PM
Commander of Awesome;1172257 wrote:A pwn is a pwn. And his post was a pwn. Just admit it, and move on.
It would be a fail if I said "The #3 overall QB is never better than the #1 overall" but I didn't.

And he did say that. He said he watches and analyzes more college football tape that he knows more than all of us combined when it comes to draft prospects.
May 15, 2012 7:46pm
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May 15, 2012 11:48 PM
SportsAndLady;1172259 wrote:I didn't fail. I'm saying:

Which would you rather have: the #1 QB in the class or the #3?

That's WHEN YOU ARE DRAFTING. Not 5 years later. Obviously I fucking know that the #1 overall QB isn't always better than the others. Jesus
Fill this out and get back to me.

May 15, 2012 7:48pm
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May 16, 2012 3:11 AM
Commander of Awesome;1172263 wrote:Fill this out and get back to me.


Lol maybe he needs his mommy to help him fill it out
May 15, 2012 11:11pm