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May 10, 2012 12:44 PM
BR1986FB;1166564 wrote:Excuse me if I'm skeptical of message board armchair GM's and head coaches...
You and I obviously disagree on basically everything. But I'm not being an "armchair GM or head coach" just giving my opinions on the Browns.
May 10, 2012 8:44am
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May 10, 2012 12:49 PM
SportsAndLady;1166571 wrote:You and I obviously disagree on basically everything. But I'm not being an "armchair GM or head coach" just giving my opinions on the Browns.
Well, shit S&L...you've already ruled Weeden out, all for dead, without him even taking a snap in rookie mini-camp.

Towards the end I loathed McCoy but at least I gave the little shit the benefit of the doubt as a rookie. To me that says you think you can evaluate talent better than this front office. I've no issue with skepticism but you've already sealed Weeden's fate.
May 10, 2012 8:49am
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May 10, 2012 12:54 PM
BR1986FB;1166574 wrote:Well, shit S&L...you've already ruled Weeden out, all for dead, without him even taking a snap in rookie mini-camp.

Towards the end I loathed McCoy but at least I gave the little shit the benefit of the doubt as a rookie. To me that says you think you can evaluate talent better than this front office. I've no issue with skepticism but you've already sealed Weeden's fate.
I just don't think Weeden is going to do well lol that means I'm a better evaluation of talent than the front office? I can't have an opinion on a QB we drafted? I can't say "I hope he does well, but I don't see it"?

give me a break. You were annoying as fuck about McCoy, sooooo sorry if I'm going to annoy you with Weeden. It was an awful pick, of course I'm going to keep harping on it. You don't waste 1st round picks, and that's exactly what they did. For what? A 8-8 season with a long term ceiling?

If he proves me wrong and is an elite, Super Bowl caliber QB...awesome!! I'll eat my crow. But I don't see it happening, and if he's anything other than that, the pick was a bad one.
May 10, 2012 8:54am
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May 10, 2012 12:57 PM
SportsAndLady;1166578 wrote:I just don't think Weeden is going to do well lol that means I'm a better evaluation of talent than the front office? I can't have an opinion on a QB we drafted? I can't say "I hope he does well, but I don't see it"?

give me a break. You were annoying as fuck about McCoy, sooooo sorry if I'm going to annoy you with Weeden. It was an awful pick, of course I'm going to keep harping on it. You don't waste 1st round picks, and that's exactly what they did. For what? A 8-8 season with a long term ceiling?

If he proves me wrong and is an elite, Super Bowl caliber QB...awesome!! I'll eat my crow. But I don't see it happening, and if he's anything other than that, the pick was a bad one.
You're not bothering me on Weeden. I know a was brutal on McCoy but I wasn't castrating him prior to him even slipping on a uniform.

I don't think he'll ever be "elite" but with one more draft I can see this team being in the playoffs in 2013.
May 10, 2012 8:57am
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May 10, 2012 1:02 PM
I tend to agree with S&L with Weeden being a watsed pick. I think he could have been had at #37, but I'm also happy with getting a RT. I really wanted LaVonte David, but I'm intriegued by JMJ's potential. I admittedly knew nothing of him coming into the draft but every thing I read about him I like.

That being said, I also agree with BR, McCoy was awful last season. I think many of you forget how painful it was to watch McCoy back in the pocket afraid to pull the trigger. I'm not happy with the Weeden pick, but I am glad to not have to watch McCoy back there sucking. We needed to do something about the QB spot. I'd rather have Weeden than Tannehill I suppose. I just don't see Tannehill being a good starting QB for least 2 yrs, and I dont see him as ever being elite.
May 10, 2012 9:02am
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May 10, 2012 1:05 PM
Hey Grossi; GFY. Also the answer is no.
May 10, 2012 9:05am
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May 10, 2012 1:07 PM
Commander of Awesome;1166582 wrote:That being said, I also agree with BR, McCoy was awful last season. I think many of you forget how painful it was to watch McCoy back in the pocket afraid to pull the trigger. I'm not happy with the Weeden pick, but I am glad to not have to watch McCoy back there sucking. We needed to do something about the QB spot. I'd rather have Weeden than Tannehill I suppose. I just don't see Tannehill being a good starting QB for least 2 yrs, and I dont see him as ever being elite.
I look at Weeden as being Derek Anderson, WITH accuracy. If DA could've found a way to CONSISTENTLY hit the broad side of a barn we wouldn't even be talking QB's. Weeden has physical tools (height, arm strength, accuracy, quick release which should make the O-Line look better) which are very intriguing.

If he stays healthy, between him & Richardson, I can see this offense improving by close to a TD a game. Do I think he's going to be Peyton Manning? No but I do think he could be another Roethlisberger (minus the raping).
May 10, 2012 9:07am
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May 10, 2012 1:30 PM
I am going to start handing out infractions for anyone that quotes, gives links to, or even mentions grossi! He is a fucking hack and there is no way he has any more knowledge of the inner workings of the organization than what we do....especially after his twitter fail
May 10, 2012 9:30am
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May 10, 2012 1:43 PM
wes_mantooth;1166608 wrote:I am going to start handing out infractions for anyone that quotes, gives links to, or even mentions grossi! He is a fucking hack and there is no way he has any more knowledge of the inner workings of the organization than what we do....especially after his twitter fail
YES! Kill him with fire.

Also if this is your platform I will vote for Wes4Prez of teh modz.
May 10, 2012 9:43am
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May 10, 2012 1:47 PM
Commander of Awesome;1166582 wrote:I tend to agree with S&L with Weeden being a watsed pick. I think he could have been had at #37, but I'm also happy with getting a RT.
I really think the front office panicked after not getting RG3 and Wright going #20, they fell to plan B which was to take the projected #37 with the #22 and the fourth round with the #37 in order to insure they got those players. I think it was predicated with their views of the fourth and fifth best WRs not being worth the picks in their opinion. They had the extra picks so it did not turn out so bad reaching a half / full round a pick.
May 10, 2012 9:47am
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May 10, 2012 1:49 PM
Sonofanump;1166635 wrote:I really think the front office panicked after not getting RG3 and Wright going #20, they fell to plan B which was to take the projected #37 with the #22 and the fourth round with the #37 in order to insure they got those players. I think it was predicated with their views of the fourth and fifth best WRs not being worth the picks in their opinion. They had the extra picks so it did not turn out so bad reaching a half / full round a pick.
no doubt they panicked. I think it was like "we lost out on wright, so no way are we letting this happen with Weeden". just my opinion of course
May 10, 2012 9:49am
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May 10, 2012 1:53 PM
The only reason I'm not killing the Browns FO is because we got a by all accounts great RT who should start at #37. I would have been pissed if we took Schwartz at #22 and then Weeden at #37. I'm not sure I would have been happier with say Hill at #22 and then Weeden at #37. Hill is a project and we'd still have a huge hole at RT. DeCastro would have been my pick, followed by a pass rusher like Nick Perry. Either way, I still think Weeden was a panic pick.

Also there was talk on OBR that they already had a deal in place to move them back into the first round if they got their guy Wright at #22. So why not take the BPA (DeCastro, WR, Pass Rusher) then move back into the first? OBR says it would have cost a 3rd and a 4th and maybe swap 2nds? I would have done that if Weeden was really my guy and I was afraid he wasn't going to last to #37.
May 10, 2012 9:53am
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May 10, 2012 2:00 PM
Commander of Awesome;1166639 wrote:Also there was talk on OBR that they already had a deal in place to move them back into the first round if they got their guy Wright at #22. So why not take the BPA (DeCastro, WR, Pass Rusher) then move back into the first? OBR says it would have cost a 3rd and a 4th and maybe swap 2nds? I would have done that if Weeden was really my guy and I was afraid he wasn't going to last to #37.
I tend to think there was some panic involved too. I think they could've taken someone else at 22 because, like you, I heard they had a deal in place as high as 23 or 24 to come back up for Weeden. Kind of a head scratcher.

I can see why they didn't take O-Line at 22 as the need was RT and they had Schwartz ranked higher than Reiff at RT. Also didn't think they liked any of the WR's there so that would really only leave a defensive player at 22 if they didn't like any of the RT's or WR's at that slot.
May 10, 2012 10:00am
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May 10, 2012 2:08 PM
BR1986FB;1166537 wrote:Just thought some might want more insight...that it wasn't just his horrible play that sealed his fate. I always thought he played the "good soldier" but maybe that wasn't the case? Like you said...time to move on but thought that blurb was interesting.
Wasn't really a slight at you, just sick of talking about McCoy. He isn't going to be starting anymore, no need to discuss him. It's the same conversation here all the time when McCoy is mentioned.
SportsAndLady;1166539 wrote:Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
Agreed.
Rotinaj;1166557 wrote:I have a hard time believing McCoy was challenging shurmur on offense. Even if he was, good, shurmur was fucking awful at calling plays. He deserves to be questioned.
Reps. Good forbid McCoy question Shurmur for running a toss sweep to Armond fucking Smith on 4th and 1 when Hillis was gaining 3-4 yards a carry.
BR1986FB;1166574 wrote:Well, shit S&L...you've already ruled Weeden out, all for dead, without him even taking a snap in rookie mini-camp.

Towards the end I loathed McCoy but at least I gave the little shit the benefit of the doubt as a rookie. To me that says you think you can evaluate talent better than this front office. I've no issue with skepticism but you've already sealed Weeden's fate.
He just like many others think it was a bad pick. I have seen plenty of posters here show their displeasure toward a draft pick without them playing a down. In fact, some like COA, hold a grudge on those players no matter what. Let's not make it more than it is, because we are talking about the QB position.
BR1986FB;1166579 wrote:You're not bothering me on Weeden. I know a was brutal on McCoy but I wasn't castrating him prior to him even slipping on a uniform.

I don't think he'll ever be "elite" but with one more draft I can see this team being in the playoffs in 2013.
As I said earlier. If the Browns don't make the playoffs next year the Weeden pick will go down as a complete CHAOTIC DISASTER (lol not really, just mocking iggy pride, but imo it will go down as a bad pick).

I am not buying into this "free pass" bullshit either. You claim a guy is NFL ready, then he better be ready to play in the NFL.
May 10, 2012 10:08am
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May 10, 2012 2:09 PM
BR1986FB;1166648 wrote:I tend to think there was some panic involved too. I think they could've taken someone else at 22 because, like you, I heard they had a deal in place as high as 23 or 24 to come back up for Weeden. Kind of a head scratcher.

I can see why they didn't take O-Line at 22 as the need was RT and they had Schwartz ranked higher than Reiff at RT. Also didn't think they liked any of the WR's there so that would really only leave a defensive player at 22 if they didn't like any of the RT's or WR's at that slot.
I am just not sold on picking Weeden altogether, but if Weeden and Schwartz were the guys they wanted all along, they probably would have end up with both them regardless if the Browns passed on Weeden at 22.
May 10, 2012 10:09am
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May 10, 2012 2:13 PM
Honest question: Has anyone heard one good thing on John Hughes? Other than he is fat, so he can plug a hole?
May 10, 2012 10:13am
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May 10, 2012 2:21 PM
wes_mantooth;1166661 wrote:Honest question: Has anyone heard one good thing on John Hughes? Other than he is fat, so he can plug a hole?
He likes football?
May 10, 2012 10:21am
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May 10, 2012 2:28 PM
wes_mantooth;1166661 wrote:Honest question: Has anyone heard one good thing on John Hughes? Other than he is fat, so he can plug a hole?
Only thing I've read is that he measured/tested better than anyone thought he was. Pretty much a reach pick.
May 10, 2012 10:28am
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May 10, 2012 2:30 PM
wes_mantooth;1166661 wrote:Honest question: Has anyone heard one good thing on John Hughes? Other than he is fat, so he can plug a hole?
I think his movies went down hill in the early 90's. Mr. Mom is underrated.

Srly, never heard of him before the draft, this dude will have a bulleye on him since he was drafted so high.
May 10, 2012 10:30am
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May 10, 2012 2:40 PM
like_that;1166655 wrote:As I said earlier. If the Browns don't make the playoffs next year the Weeden pick will go down as a complete CHAOTIC DISASTER (lol not really, just mocking iggy pride, but imo it will go down as a bad pick).

I am not buying into this "free pass" bullshit either. You claim a guy is NFL ready, then he better be ready to play in the NFL.
They aren't making the playoffs in 2012 but I think they will in Weeden's second year if he is what I think he can be.
May 10, 2012 10:40am
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May 10, 2012 5:38 PM
Adam Schein ‏ @AdamSchein Plax is very interested in playing for the Panthers. Also Cle, Oak, and Miami.
May 10, 2012 1:38pm
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May 10, 2012 5:44 PM
DeyDurkie5;1166952 wrote: Adam Schein ‏ @AdamSchein Plax is very interested in playing for the Panthers. Also Cle, Oak, and Miami.
LOL...not laughing at you but old Cheddar Bob just named just about every team that needs WR help, BADLY.
May 10, 2012 1:44pm
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May 10, 2012 5:56 PM
cowherd pick cle 2-14 worst in the nfl. Do we live up to the hype?
May 10, 2012 1:56pm