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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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May 10, 2012 12:07 AM
Footwedge;1166267 wrote:That's your rebuttle? Earnin your name Dorkie I see.

You and others have stated the ridiculous claim that Weedon has to start because he was a high draft choice. Well, sorry, it doesn't work that way...in sports or in life. He who puts up numbers wins. When you get into the real world you'll understand that.
Now KGFY.
you are comparing baseball, where players are drafted and then sent to the minors to hone their craft, to football where players are drafted in the first round to start immediately. Complete fail on your part and earning your "the worst" competition status.

and it's durkie, moran.
May 9, 2012 8:07pm
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May 10, 2012 2:12 AM
I think Roger Staubach had a pretty good career for starting late in life.
May 9, 2012 10:12pm
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May 10, 2012 3:08 AM
BR1986FB;1165936 wrote:This guy is very well respected in scouting/drafting circles..

Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Love Browns 1st 3 picks as Richardson, Weeden & Schwartz should start in 2012. Also, like a number of the Browns other picks ...

Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Like Browns pick of slot wr T. Benjamin as he is explosive & elusive with big play ability when he gets ball in open field.



Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Browns get good value with pick of LB JM Johnson as he has talent to start as OLB or ILB for them & should challenge to do so as rookie.



Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
With Boise St having so many good players, I believe DE B. Winn was overlooked & has starters potential for Browns.



Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
Do not be shocked if the Browns last pick B. Smelley make an impact catching 40+ passes as he is a versatile receiving threat.



Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
@Ruyf - The Browns average draft grade came to 6.04 which is 7th of all the teams this year. I will post all team grades within week.



Russell Lande ‏ @RUSSLANDE
@GregLema - I thought Hughes was more of a late round / free agent type, but he showed much better athleticism in workout then expected.



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@rajivbais - Smelley is an H-Back, TE & fullback who excels athletically & really is a good receiving threat.
LOL, that was hilarious...does that guy like every pick!? You're gonna sit there w/ a straight face and say that Brad Smelley is gonna catch 40 balls?
BR1986FB;1165987 wrote:Just like the odds of Barkley, Luck & RG3 busting out vs being a 'Super Bowl contending, elite QB" could also be high. You never know what they've got UNTIL they play.

You're conveniently omitting the fact that IF Weeden is 22-23 he's a top 5 pick in this draft. Some think he's more ready than Luck, who is considered the "sure thing" in some facets of his game. But he has a better chance of "busting" because of your prejudice against his age.

Your "suck for <insert name of "the next big thing at QB>" mentality doesn't guarantee landing a "Super Bowl contending, elite QB" either. But at least we know two of the people on here who'd rather see them lose than try to improve.
What are you talking about? The age thing is about 4th on the worries towards him. He's just not that good. He played in a conference that was so pass heavy, of course you're gonna look good when you're "pretty good" But Big 12 pretty good doesn't translate too well in the NFL--history shows that. Name a couple good Big 12 QBs lately..

Also, look at his stats when he was "hurried" in the pocket. He was atrocious. The Big 12 is about quick passes, and YAC. I could get out there and throw a fucking bubble screen. But when there was a little pressure on him, he wasn't good. It was a terrible pick.
May 9, 2012 11:08pm
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May 10, 2012 3:47 AM
LOL at s&l. Like he knows how Weedon will do. He ripped Texas, Stanford, and Oklahoma's defenses apart. But he's guaranteed to suck because he played in a certain conference. God I love this place.:cool:
May 9, 2012 11:47pm
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May 10, 2012 3:48 AM
Sonofanump;1166374 wrote:I think Roger Staubach had a pretty good career for starting late in life.
Yeah...but he proved himself by playing in a really tough conference....oh wait...
May 9, 2012 11:48pm
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May 10, 2012 5:50 AM
I wanted nothing to do with Weeden in the first 2 rounds at the very least.

I was a bit pissed after we took him at 22, but as the night went on I talked myself into the pick and weighed his physical and mental attributes to Colt's. I came away a bit happier after the process.

Weeden has to start and HAS to give us at least 6 or 7 LEGIT years as a starting QB. I'm not going to be unreal and say the guy has to be a top 10 QB annually.

I read scouting reports and offensive analysis on his offense in OKST and it made me feel a lot better. He basically created the offense and learned it very quickly. Not only that, but it was created on the basis of making multiple, quick reads. Something that should translate into the NFL game.
May 10, 2012 1:50am
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May 10, 2012 9:13 AM
JMJ endearing himself to the fans after signing his contract...

@Johnsonjm52: I'm taking my talents to Cleveland!
May 10, 2012 5:13am
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May 10, 2012 9:16 AM
SportsAndLady;1166425 wrote:LOL, that was hilarious...does that guy like every pick!? You're gonna sit there w/ a straight face and say that Brad Smelley is gonna catch 40 balls?
Well...considering he's a former scout and has no real ties (biases) toward the team, I'll accept his opinion over the "LOL'ing/can't win if you're a QB from the Big 12" crowd. :rolleyes:
May 10, 2012 5:16am
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May 10, 2012 11:50 AM
So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.
May 10, 2012 7:50am
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May 10, 2012 11:55 AM
BR1986FB;1166527 wrote:So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.

Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
May 10, 2012 7:55am
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May 10, 2012 11:58 AM
like_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
maybe, but with this front office...I wouldn't put it past them to keep him on the roster and have a qb competition....blah
May 10, 2012 7:58am
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May 10, 2012 12:00 PM
wes_mantooth;1166532 wrote:maybe, but with this front office...I wouldn't put it past them to keep him on the roster and have a qb competition....blah
This would be a HORRIBLE mistake.
May 10, 2012 8:00am
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May 10, 2012 12:00 PM
BR1986FB;1166533 wrote:This would be a HORRIBLE mistake.
agreed. There is no way of justifying it either
May 10, 2012 8:00am
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May 10, 2012 12:01 PM
like_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a ****? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
amen. on to the next one. McCoy is all but done in cleveland.
May 10, 2012 8:01am
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May 10, 2012 12:06 PM
like_that;1166529 wrote:Who gives a shit? The McCoy era is over, time to move on. I don't understand why anyone is discussing him any more.
Just thought some might want more insight...that it wasn't just his horrible play that sealed his fate. I always thought he played the "good soldier" but maybe that wasn't the case? Like you said...time to move on but thought that blurb was interesting.
May 10, 2012 8:06am
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May 10, 2012 12:16 PM
BR1986FB;1166527 wrote:So it sounds like part of the reason for "moving on" from the Colt McCoy era might have had something to do with a difference of opinion between Shurmur & McCoy on how the offense should be run. Shurmur wanted it done a specific way and McCoy had the "this is how we did it at Texas" mentality (per OBR). Not exactly the way to endear yourself to your new HC.
Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
May 10, 2012 8:16am
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May 10, 2012 12:30 PM
SportsAndLady;1166539 wrote:Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
Oh, I'm sure (as I said) that it was mostly due to his poor play but being the "pouter" that he is, I could see McCoy questioning/challenging Shurmur.
May 10, 2012 8:30am
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May 10, 2012 12:34 PM
SportsAndLady;1166539 wrote:Lol that probably never happened...the reason for "moving on" from McCoy is just that he isn't very good, not some conspiracy theory.
I read it on OBR as well, and unlike Tony Grossi, they don't usually post hearsay, rumor, and sci fi.
May 10, 2012 8:34am
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May 10, 2012 12:36 PM
I have a hard time believing McCoy was challenging shurmur on offense. Even if he was, good, shurmur was fucking awful at calling plays. He deserves to be questioned.
May 10, 2012 8:36am
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May 10, 2012 12:39 PM
BR1986FB;1166551 wrote:Oh, I'm sure (as I said) that it was mostly due to his poor play but being the "pouter" that he is, I could see McCoy questioning/challenging Shurmur.
Commander of Awesome;1166554 wrote:I read it on OBR as well, and unlike Tony Grossi, they don't usually post hearsay, rumor, and sci fi.
Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumors
May 10, 2012 8:39am
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May 10, 2012 12:39 PM
Rotinaj;1166557 wrote:I have a hard time believing McCoy was challenging shurmur on offense. Even if he was, good, shurmur was fucking awful at calling plays. He deserves to be questioned.
Solid point lol
May 10, 2012 8:39am
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May 10, 2012 12:40 PM
SportsAndLady;1166562 wrote:Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumors
Excuse me if I'm skeptical of message board armchair GM's and head coaches...
May 10, 2012 8:40am
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May 10, 2012 12:40 PM
SportsAndLady;1166562 wrote:Excuse me if I don't believe message board rumors
Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.
May 10, 2012 8:40am
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May 10, 2012 12:42 PM
Commander of Awesome;1166565 wrote:Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.
Oh

OBR is not my thing, never even been on that site.
May 10, 2012 8:42am
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May 10, 2012 12:43 PM
Commander of Awesome;1166565 wrote:Its not a message board. There is one on the site, but that's not where this info came from.
Yeah, that info wasn't posted in their public forum.
May 10, 2012 8:43am