don't hold your breathohiobucks1;1041158 wrote:I think we need RGIII. If we don't draft him and he's there... I'm going to be pissed
And that's if they draft well. Heckert had some great picks as GM (Jackson, McCoy, Celek) at Philly, but some pretty huge misses as well. I know Andy Reid had/has the final say with everything with the Eagles, but you can't be drafting guys in the 3rd round that are cut and out of the NFL entirely within 2 years, especially in the Browns situation.BR1986FB;1041027 wrote:Building through draft alone will take another 3-5 years just to be a playoff potential team.
I spent the day listening to the radio yesterday at work (both 92.3 and 850) and across the board they were just ripping the press conference with a main complaint being that there is just zero sense of urgency in Berea.BR1986FB;1041027 wrote:Which is a mistake, imo. You obviously want to build through the draft and not go hog wild in FA but adding 3-4 key pieces along with a solid draft could give this team some "makeup speed."
If he ****s around with this turtle-like "slow and steady wins the race" through the draft attitude, they WILL lose fans, regardless of Holmgren's arrogant statement that the fans will 'stick with them." Building through draft alone will take another 3-5 years just to be a playoff potential team.
FIFYtyjodan;1041335 wrote:Get an offensive coordinator.............
I don't really think it's true that there's no sense of urgency. There's a sense of realism. This team isn't a big money free agent away from a Super Bowl. They don't even have a legit starting offense, let alone enough depth on either side of the ball to really be a contender. Who should be on the hot seat? The first year head coach? You can't keep starting over if you want to build a winning organization. I trust that Heckert and Holmgren know what they are doing. Holmgren has built winners everywhere, and we've seen what happened in Philly when the Eagles just started signing names and not necessarily positions of need. It will take time, and the organization knows this.IggyPride00;1041322 wrote:I spent the day listening to the radio yesterday at work (both 92.3 and 850) and across the board they were just ripping the press conference with a main complaint being that there is just zero sense of urgency in Berea.
There is a level of arrogance among this organization that is just baffling. No one is on the hot seat, no one has to earn their keep. I just don't get it.
I think the lack of urgency at the management level does trickle down to the players.
Holmgren has got to know that telling this fan base that he's in no hurry, and we as fans aren't going anywhere no matter how long it takes him, isn't endearing him to anyone.
I know he's not a stupid guy, but he just seems so out of touch right now with the pulse of the city it is hard to understand.
I also got the impression that we aren't drafting RGIII no matter what, as you could tell by the way they stress the importance of the system that they want no part of someone who isn't built to run the west coast.
I think Richardson is going to be the pick the more I think of it. They seem stubbornly committed to this group of wideouts, and Hillis is going to be given his walking papers (which is a mistake). That leaves Richardson as there will be a hole in the backfield, and he can make an immediate impact.
Solid sure thing types seem to be the MO of this front office right now as they want guys that are ready to play now even if they are lower ceiling types. There is not a whole lot of imagination in Berea right now.
This is the first time since the team came back that we have a clear cut plan and direction. It will be a slow and painful process, but I would rather build for the long term success, instead of some flash in the pan seasons.DeyDurkie5;1041546 wrote:We will lose some fans, sure. Probably the old time, "WE GOTTA WIN NOW OR IM GOING TO FUCKING KILL SOMEONE" fans. Fans that are fed up with watching this shit. That's fine, go ahead and drop the team because it's not happening. I will be there as a fan, regardless of what happens cuase I like the way the organization is taking this team. If you didn't see improvement, then you are either a. retarded or b. didn't watch the team this year. We are a couple players away from being a playoff team. It's that simple. If it doesn't happen next year, it will the year after it. And I'm going to laugh when these supposed "fans" come crawling back acting like they are gods gift to the team.
exactly...that's why i love the "we will lose fans over this"...good, fuck them if they choose to bail on the brownies.se-alum;1041583 wrote:This is the first time since the team came back that we have a clear cut plan and direction. It will be a slow and painful process, but I would rather build for the long term success, instead of some flash in the pan seasons.
reguardless, we will always be fans. :thumbup:DeyDurkie5;1041585 wrote:exactly...that's why i love the "we will lose fans over this"...good, **** them if they choose to bail on the brownies.
REPSDeyDurkie5;1041585 wrote:exactly...that's why i love the "we will lose fans over this"...good, fuck them if they choose to bail on the brownies.
zach24oz;1041476 wrote:I wouldnt be that upset if they traded out of the #4 spot and got a couple more picks in the first couple rounds...say they trade back a little bit and they can still get the guy they want and are certain he will still be there. I just dont want them to trade back clear in the 20's...trade back around 10 early teens if the price is right. It would be a win-win, get the guy you want along with adding more potential starters for both sides of the ball.
Keep Colt for THREE more years? You've GOT to be fucking kidding? It doesn't matter WHAT weapons you put around him, the dude is still gonna suck.BearBoy69;1041680 wrote:Getting rid of quarterbacks and coaches every 2 seasons is exactly why they suck. Keep colt and charmer for at least 3 more years put good recievers around him a few new lineman and a playmaking lb and you have yourselves a team that is good because they are on the brink now. Browns fans jump the gun way too quick on QBs and head coaches
BR1986FB;1041734 wrote:Keep Colt for THREE more years? You've GOT to be fucking kidding? It doesn't matter WHAT weapons you put around him, the dude is still gonna suck.
For those who say "put <franchise QB> behind our line with our weapons and they STILL wouldn't succeed", I'll do you ONE better. Put Colt McCoy in Green Bays offense, with a WORSE O-Line (both running and pass blocking...verified by stats) and those weapons, he will STILL get happy feet, panic like he does now, roll to his right ALL of the time, which is his current tendency NOW, and check down, which is his current tendency now. He would NOT be a franchise QB in GB's system. He would neuter their offense. Can't put lipstick on a pig.
And you almost gave me one with the first line.BR1986FB;1041775 wrote:So Dan Gilbert is looking to buy a Cleveland football team.....
Too bad it's the Gladiators...
Admittedly I bash on McCoy a lot but people are conning themselves if they believe this kid is capable of being a franchise type QB. I wanted him to excel as much as anyone because it was a "feel good" story. If you load up on weapons, it's like a luxury automobile. You have the car (offensive weapons), you don't put water (McCoy) in the gas tanks...you put premium (franchise QB) in it for optimum performance.like_that;1041776 wrote:Lol, I was worried bearboy was going to give you a heart attack with his post.
I'd be ok with Colt another year, getting an actual off season, but I'd also be ok with drafting RGIII. I just doubt holmgren does that. It seems like he wants his cheap, low risk/high reward fix at QB. The only problem with that is Holmgren was the coach when Favre and Hasselbeck were under center. Patty boy isn't going to be capable of grooming these guys on his own. We can say Holmgren will help, but he isn't going to be able to put the same amount of time into it as he did as a coach.BR1986FB;1041784 wrote:Admittedly I bash on McCoy a lot but people are conning themselves if they believe this kid is capable of being a franchise type QB. I wanted him to excel as much as anyone because it was a "feel good" story. If you load up on weapons, it's like a luxury automobile. You have the car (offensive weapons), you don't put water (McCoy) in the gas tanks...you put premium (franchise QB) in it for optimum performance.
I just don't know what the fuck happened to him. Last year he showed a little promise and during this preseason I was like "here we go...FINALLY gonna see some offense' yet he regressed throughout the season.like_that;1041790 wrote:I'd be ok with Colt another year, getting an actual off season.
:thumbup::thumbup: YES!!!:thumbup::thumbup:BR1986FB;1040856 wrote: I've been saying "no, no, no" to a top 5 WR but if the QB is in place I'd warm up to taking Blackmon with their pick in this scenario if he's still on the board.