Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 28, 2011 11:11pm
He was a lottery pick ,I think they had expectations that he would be a knock down 3 pt shooter and he hasn't been. He is also shooting Free throws 6% worse than in College. I think it is the same distance in the Pro's.wildcats20;1029686 wrote:JJ couldn't and still can't get his own shot.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 28, 2011 11:13pm
Wayne Simien
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Dec 28, 2011 11:45pm
How much better of a rookie year did you want Wall to have lmao?Skyhook79;1029644 wrote:Worse: Chris Duhon
JJ Red****
Shelden Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Dhantay Jones
Trajan Langdon
Shavlik Randolph
John Wall
Jeff Green
Better: Kevin Love
Lamarcus Aldridge
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
Al Horford
16ppg 8 apg and 5 rpg 2spg as a rookie playing 69 games
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Dec 29, 2011 2:49am
??Skyhook79;1029644 wrote:Worse: Chris Duhon
JJ Reddick
Shelden Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Dhantay Jones
Trajan Langdon
Shavlik Randolph
John Wall
Jeff Green
Better: Kevin Love
Lamarcus Aldridge
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
Al Horford
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 29, 2011 8:04am
My guess is that he expected Wall to come in like Rose, and Wall has been hit a bit by the injury bug in his young NBA career.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Dec 29, 2011 9:26am
Rose: 16.8 ppg, 6.3 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 0.8 steals
Wall: 16.4 ppg, 8.3 assists, 4.1 rebounds, 1.8 steals
I'd say Wall was better than Rose his rookie year. His team just wasn't a playoff team.
Wall: 16.4 ppg, 8.3 assists, 4.1 rebounds, 1.8 steals
I'd say Wall was better than Rose his rookie year. His team just wasn't a playoff team.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 29, 2011 10:02am
I find it comical that people think Wall isn't that good. Dude dropped over 8 dimes in his rookie year and plays on one of the worst teams in the entire league. Yet he's overrated...
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 29, 2011 10:10am
Its common that people don't think he's good? Perhaps he doesn't get the pub that Rose got because he plays in Washington on a horrible team but I haven't heard any negativity towards him other than he misses games.Azubuike24;1029842 wrote:I find it comical that people think Wall isn't that good. Dude dropped over 8 dimes in his rookie year and plays on one of the worst teams in the entire league. Yet he's overrated...
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 29, 2011 11:06am
Lol skyhook
I've got to stop so he will as well.
I've got to stop so he will as well.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 29, 2011 11:18am
He can't shoot (40% & 29% from 3's) and he turns the ball over (4 per game, 2nd most in the league) way too much and has one of the lowest assist/turnover ratio's in the league for pg. I expected more for a #1 pick.Hb31187;1029707 wrote:How much better of a rookie year did you want Wall to have lmao?
16ppg 8 apg and 5 rpg 2spg as a rookie playing 69 games
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 29, 2011 11:20am
Dude also gave 4 dimes back a game.Azubuike24;1029842 wrote:I find it comical that people think Wall isn't that good. Dude dropped over 8 dimes in his rookie year and plays on one of the worst teams in the entire league. Yet he's overrated...
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Dec 29, 2011 12:21pm
Derrick Rose's Assist/TO ratio last year was only 0.08 higher per game than Wall's. Rose only shot 22% from three his rookie year, and he was a #1 pick too.Skyhook79;1029896 wrote:He can't shoot (40% & 29% from 3's) and he turns the ball over (4 per game, 2nd most in the league) way too much and has one of the lowest assist/turnover ratio's in the league for pg. I expected more for a #1 pick.
You're making it out like Rose was unbelievable his rookie year, and he very well may have been better than Wall, but he didn't really make the leap to great until this past season.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 29, 2011 12:31pm
When did I say anything about Rose?GOONx19;1030011 wrote:Derrick Rose's Assist/TO ratio last year was only 0.08 higher per game than Wall's. Rose only shot 22% from three his rookie year, and he was a #1 pick too.
You're making it out like Rose was unbelievable his rookie year, and he very well may have been better than Wall, but he didn't really make the leap to great until this past season.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Dec 29, 2011 12:38pm
My bad, I guess I confused CoA's post a few posts back with something you said. Now that I brought it up, though: did you think Rose was disappointing his rookie year, or did you expect Wall to be a better rookie than Rose coming in?Skyhook79;1030022 wrote:When did I say anything about Rose?
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Dec 29, 2011 2:23pm
I used "isn't that good" in place of "overrated." Maybe it's because he had some sky-high expectations, but still. Perception by most is that Wall had a bad rookie season...and if you saw his numbers and watched him play on a trainwreck of a team, it just isn't true. In-fact, he had a very good season given the circumstances...Commander of Awesome;1029846 wrote:Its common that people don't think he's good? Perhaps he doesn't get the pub that Rose got because he plays in Washington on a horrible team but I haven't heard any negativity towards him other than he misses games.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Dec 29, 2011 4:52pm
Rondo and Kevin Love are the main two for me.
I'm one of the only people it seems that would have taken Durant over Oden on draft day.
I'm one of the only people it seems that would have taken Durant over Oden on draft day.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Dec 29, 2011 4:57pm
Growing up, Lou Roe was a surprise disappointment for me just because of how solid he was with UMass.
But that was before I understood concepts like not really having a pro position because of being too small to play an NBA power position and not being skilled enough to move down to a 3.
But that was before I understood concepts like not really having a pro position because of being too small to play an NBA power position and not being skilled enough to move down to a 3.