jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 28, 2011 12:10am
Cole has been doing this since he first suited up at practice. Wade called him a more prepared option at pg than he was as a rookie. Nice start for Miami.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 28, 2011 12:45am
Lakers playing some D tonight, impressive when its their 3rd game in 3 nights.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 28, 2011 1:15am
27.6 ppgsleeper;1028678 wrote:Kobe is a shell of himself. And he still can't close, see the Bulls game 2 days ago.
6.6 rpg
5.7 apg
2.0 spg
For a guy in his 16th year.
#sleeperlosesagain
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Dec 28, 2011 1:15am
So what is the deal with Greg Oden? Is he supposed to play this season?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Dec 28, 2011 1:16am
The Jazz won't win 15 games this year. Wow, they are bad.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Dec 28, 2011 1:52am
Thought the same thing as I watched this game. Milsap, Jefferson, Favors and Kanter should carry this team but their backcourt is really weak. I think they made a big mistake with the Williams trade. Harris is NOT a franchise PG and Favors plays the same position as two other high priced guys. Need to make some moves to make this team halfway decent.wildcats20;1028703 wrote:The Jazz won't win 15 games this year. Wow, they are bad.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 9:50am
He had an opportunity to win the game with the ball in his hands, and per normal he missed the shot. Only time we ever see Kobe on SportsCenter is the 20% of the time he makes it, not the 80% that he misses.Skyhook79;1028701 wrote:27.6 ppg
6.6 rpg
5.7 apg
2.0 spg
For a guy in his 16th year.
#sleeperlosesagain
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 9:52am
I still don't understand why they would take Kantar. They are loaded at the 4/5 position but have nothing else.sportswizuhrd;1028707 wrote:Thought the same thing as I watched this game. Milsap, Jefferson, Favors and Kanter should carry this team but their backcourt is really weak. I think they made a big mistake with the Williams trade. Harris is NOT a franchise PG and Favors plays the same position as two other high priced guys. Need to make some moves to make this team halfway decent.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 28, 2011 10:52am
No one has made more game winners since 2001 than Kobe Bryant. Kobe doesn't need a Norris Cole to step up in the 4th like your boy Lebron does.sleeper;1028771 wrote:He had an opportunity to win the game with the ball in his hands, and per normal he missed the shot. Only time we ever see Kobe on SportsCenter is the 20% of the time he makes it, not the 80% that he misses.
#sleeperlosesagain
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 11:25am
No one has taken more game winners than Kobe either, even if your statistic(which can be spun anyway you want) is correct.Skyhook79;1028820 wrote:No one has made more game winners since 2001 than Kobe Bryant. Kobe doesn't need a Norris Cole to step up in the 4th like your boy Lebron does.
#sleeperlosesagain
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 11:28am
Has anyone had 1/2 the attempts at game winners than Kobe?
Not sure how anyone can honestly try to take from any of Kobe's career. The guy was the best NBA player for multiple years, a top 3 NBA player for 10+ years and a top 5-7 player for 15 years. Earned all-star starter 13X, 5 NBA Championships and closing in on 30,000 points. Bashing anything on the court just makes you look ignorant. I don't even like him, but it's not difficult to appreciate how great he has been for a decade and a half.
Not sure how anyone can honestly try to take from any of Kobe's career. The guy was the best NBA player for multiple years, a top 3 NBA player for 10+ years and a top 5-7 player for 15 years. Earned all-star starter 13X, 5 NBA Championships and closing in on 30,000 points. Bashing anything on the court just makes you look ignorant. I don't even like him, but it's not difficult to appreciate how great he has been for a decade and a half.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 28, 2011 11:41am
AgreeIronman92;1028858 wrote:Has anyone had 1/2 the attempts at game winners than Kobe?
Not sure how anyone can honestly try to take from any of Kobe's career. The guy was the best NBA player for multiple years, a top 3 NBA player for 10+ years and a top 5-7 player for 15 years. Earned all-star starter 13X, 5 NBA Championships and closing in on 30,000 points. Bashing anything on the court just makes you look ignorant. I don't even like him, but it's not difficult to appreciate how great he has been for a decade and a half.
#sleeperlosesagain
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 12:35pm
Great. None of that is relevant to the point that he's a shell of his former self. Thanks for playing.Ironman92;1028858 wrote:Has anyone had 1/2 the attempts at game winners than Kobe?
Not sure how anyone can honestly try to take from any of Kobe's career. The guy was the best NBA player for multiple years, a top 3 NBA player for 10+ years and a top 5-7 player for 15 years. Earned all-star starter 13X, 5 NBA Championships and closing in on 30,000 points. Bashing anything on the court just makes you look ignorant. I don't even like him, but it's not difficult to appreciate how great he has been for a decade and a half.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 1:12pm
26.7 ppg
6.7 rb
5.7 ast
35 min/game
Either we completely disagree on what "a shell of his former self" means or your argument sucks.
Let me know.
6.7 rb
5.7 ast
35 min/game
Either we completely disagree on what "a shell of his former self" means or your argument sucks.
Let me know.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 1:55pm
He's played what, 3 games? He's also their only option.Ironman92;1028950 wrote:26.7 ppg
6.7 rb
5.7 ast
35 min/game
Either we completely disagree on what "a shell of his former self" means or your argument sucks.
Let me know.
Kobe Bryant is the greatest chucker in NBA history. He shoot a lot, and therefore he scores a lot. I'm not impressed.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 2:28pm
You said he was a shell of his former self. What were you basing that on?
He's played 3 games in 3 nights and his numbers are right at what he does.
He is showing no signs of a guy that won't score 22+ ppg....not sure of your shell criteria. I can't even think of a player that is a shell....maybe Vince Carter.
Whatever the case, you are trying to knock a guy that has never been anything but great since age 20....can't say I understand. Maybe you can list all the players in NBA history that have been a top 5 player for 12+ years.
He's played 3 games in 3 nights and his numbers are right at what he does.
He is showing no signs of a guy that won't score 22+ ppg....not sure of your shell criteria. I can't even think of a player that is a shell....maybe Vince Carter.
Whatever the case, you are trying to knock a guy that has never been anything but great since age 20....can't say I understand. Maybe you can list all the players in NBA history that have been a top 5 player for 12+ years.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 3:19pm
Give any NBA player a prime Shaq and a prime Gasol, and full control over shooting the ball and we could have an entire league full of Kobe Bryant's. He's overrated.Ironman92;1029062 wrote:You said he was a shell of his former self. What were you basing that on?
He's played 3 games in 3 nights and his numbers are right at what he does.
He is showing no signs of a guy that won't score 22+ ppg....not sure of your shell criteria. I can't even think of a player that is a shell....maybe Vince Carter.
Whatever the case, you are trying to knock a guy that has never been anything but great since age 20....can't say I understand. Maybe you can list all the players in NBA history that have been a top 5 player for 12+ years.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 28, 2011 3:21pm
This argument is ridiculous.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 3:32pm
sleeper;1029117 wrote:Give any NBA player a prime Shaq and a prime Gasol, and full control over shooting the ball and we could have an entire league full of Kobe Bryant's. He's overrated.
Ridiculous generalization.
I'd love to go back to those times and replace Kobe with Desagna Diop
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 28, 2011 3:35pm
Me too. We'd have less Laker fans that's for sure.Ironman92;1029136 wrote:Ridiculous generalization.
I'd love to go back to those times and replace Kobe with Desagna Diop
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 5:03pm
Agree, though don't have any problems with most Lakers fans.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 28, 2011 5:22pm
I love arguments with Sleeper. Easily are the most entertaining for me.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 6:39pm
Thunder/Grizzlies
Knicks/Warriors
Only games on tv tonight?
Knicks/Warriors
Only games on tv tonight?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 6:40pm
Cavaliers/Pistons also.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 28, 2011 6:41pm
Westbrook goes 38,8,6 tonight
Kyrie goes for 16,4,3
Kyrie goes for 16,4,3