Sherm, you silly comedian. ND didnt just lose a BCS game or two. You lost 9 straight bowl games, by an average of 16 pts. ND got about half of those bids because of who they "were", not how good they might be.

Oh children.

september63 wrote: Sherm, you silly comedian. ND didnt just lose a BCS game or two. You lost 9 straight bowl games, by an average of 16 pts. ND got about half of those bids because of who they "were", not how good they might be.

September, you silly troll. ND did not play in all BCS bowls during the 9 game losing streak.

ND got their bowl bids because (1.) they met the required criteria to be in the bowl game and (2.) they have the biggest national following. Again I'll say, perhaps your issues do not lie with ND, but rather with the bowl system that would bring in a team that you feel shouldn't be there. It is the system we have. ND brings in the cash, and therefore IF THEY MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS SET FORTH...THEY WILL GET A BOWL BID! Period.

ND's selection to a BCS bowl is no different than unranked Texas Tech (6-5 record) winning the Southwest conference game and the automatic bid to the Cotton Bowl. And no worse than #13 Virginia Tech winning the Big East title and getting an automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl. It surely can't be worse than #20 Texas winning the Big 12 in 1996 and getting the auto bid to the Fiesta Bowl. What about with #22 Stanford won the Pac-10 and got to play in the Rose Bowl. Is ND's choice worse than that?!

The only thing that I can see as being worse than ND getting a bid to a BCS game if they have won 9 games and finish inside the top 14 is if a team plays in a conference where they don't have a championship game and don't play everyone in the conference and claim that they are a conference champion and get the automatic bid. Now which team would have done that within the last few years? Oh ya, that's right. Ohio State doesn't have to worry about a conference title game. And they don't have to play everyone in their conference every year. Yet, they can somehow still win the Big 10 title and get an automatic bid to a BCS bowl?! And you have the nerve to complain about Notre Dame?! Give me a fucking break!

ND is the only school to have a special waiver..............granting them a BCS bid IF they can finish in the top 14!! Yes, I realize all 9 losses werent BCS bowls. It was worse yet, some of them were lower level crap bowls, and ND still got beat. Top 14? and you still cant get a BCS bowl?...........hell..............Boise St qualifiied the past 9 years.

september63 wrote: ND is the only school to have a special waiver..............granting them a BCS bid IF they can finish in the top 14!! Yes, I realize all 9 losses werent BCS bowls. It was worse yet, some of them were lower level crap bowls, and ND still got beat. Top 14? and you still cant get a BCS bowl?...........hell..............Boise St qualifiied the past 9 years.

Wrong again douche nozzle. ANY team that wins 9 games and finishes in the top 14 is eligible for an at-large bid.

If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:

A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and

B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.

But if ND is in the top 14...and there is an at-large possibility, they are going to get it over anyone else. It's all about the money...and ND makes the most. Because people like me want to see them win, they buy tickets. And people like you hope to see them lose, so they buy tickets, too. The years that ND did not go to a BCS bowl game during the losing streak they were not in the top 14...and therefore accepted bids to games like the Gator Bowl.

Hey September, here's some reading material.

http://clashmoremike.com/2009/07/notre-dame-and-the-bcs-the-notre-dame-rule/

WOW!! fair enough!! Ill buy everything you just said. What about this years ND team took the approach of turning down a bowl selection? As a fan, them giving up could not have made you happy?

I honestly don't think any Notre Dame fan was thrilled with seeing them not play. I personally would have liked to have seen Kelly with Clausen and Tate, even if just for one game.

Mr Pat wrote: I honestly don't think any Notre Dame fan was thrilled with seeing them not play. I personally would have liked to have seen Kelly with Clausen and Tate, even if just for one game.

I disagree. While I wanted ND to play in a bowl game, I would not have wanted to see Kelly coaching Clausen and Tate. It would have made me wonder "what if Kelly coached all year?" and that would have driven me crazy! LOL.

Both good points! Where am I supposed to think Coach Kelly is a defensive guy? If he had coached this ND team in a bowl game, the defense still would have sucked.

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Just for you Sleeper. I'm no ND fan at all, but they have the most valuable football program in college.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16440036/

http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/20/notre-dame-fooball-biz-sports-cx_ps_1120collegeball.html

The University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish, worth $101 million, is the most valuable team in college football. Unlike the other programs on our list, Notre Dame's athletic department operates under the umbrella of the university and is not run as its own distinct entity. As a result, a much higher share of profits are retained by university for academic use.

Thanks for playing though. Proof enough? I think so. Good day

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/116872

Since when did revenue mean anything? Look at profit, you know, the money they have after all expenses have been paid. Looks like Texas has the most money to pay their football coach, and is CLEARLY backed up by Mack Brown being the highest paid coach in college football.

Have a nice day! LOL

Maybe you should study more in school. Yes, Texas does make the largest profits, but having the largest profits doesn't make your team the one with the most money.

I could buy a house for $50,000 and sell it for $100,000 and I have doubled my money.

Does that mean I have more money than someone who bought a house for $100,000 and sell it for $110,000? Whose house is worth more?

In the article it states Texas' program is worth $92 million and has the largest profits. However, it also states that Notre Dame is the most valuable program valued at $101 million.

You may want a refund of your tuition money, school isn't helping you youngin'. Have a nice day.

Would you rather have a company that has 1 billion in revenue but only $100 in profit, or a company that has 1 million in revenue and a 500k profit?

Have a nice day.

That isn't the point or what we were debating. The issue and debate is what program is worth more money and the answer is Notre Dame is worth more than any other program in college football and you can take that to the bank!

dwccrew wrote:

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Just for you Sleeper. I'm no ND fan at all, but they have the most valuable football program in college.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16440036/

http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/20/notre-dame-fooball-biz-sports-cx_ps_1120collegeball.html

The University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish, worth $101 million, is the most valuable team in college football. Unlike the other programs on our list, Notre Dame's athletic department operates under the umbrella of the university and is not run as its own distinct entity. As a result, a much higher share of profits are retained by university for academic use.

Thanks for playing though. Proof enough? I think so. Good day

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/116872

Since when did revenue mean anything? Look at profit, you know, the money they have after all expenses have been paid. Looks like Texas has the most money to pay their football coach, and is CLEARLY backed up by Mack Brown being the highest paid coach in college football.

Have a nice day! LOL

Maybe you should study more in school. Yes, Texas does make the largest profits, but having the largest profits doesn't make your team the one with the most money.

I could buy a house for $50,000 and sell it for $100,000 and I have doubled my money.

Does that mean I have more money than someone who bought a house for $100,000 and sell it for $110,000? Whose house is worth more?

In the article it states Texas' program is worth $92 million and has the largest profits. However, it also states that Notre Dame is the most valuable program valued at $101 million.

You may want a refund of your tuition money, school isn't helping you youngin'. Have a nice day.

Would you rather have a company that has 1 billion in revenue but only $100 in profit, or a company that has 1 million in revenue and a 500k profit?

Have a nice day.

That isn't the point or what we were debating. The issue and debate is what program is worth more money and the answer is Notre Dame is worth more than any other program in college football and you can take that to the bank!

You never answered my question, so I win. LOL

I'd say 3 years, tops.

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

sleeper wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Just for you Sleeper. I'm no ND fan at all, but they have the most valuable football program in college.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16440036/

http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/20/notre-dame-fooball-biz-sports-cx_ps_1120collegeball.html

The University of Notre Dame Fighting Irish, worth $101 million, is the most valuable team in college football. Unlike the other programs on our list, Notre Dame's athletic department operates under the umbrella of the university and is not run as its own distinct entity. As a result, a much higher share of profits are retained by university for academic use.

Thanks for playing though. Proof enough? I think so. Good day

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/116872

Since when did revenue mean anything? Look at profit, you know, the money they have after all expenses have been paid. Looks like Texas has the most money to pay their football coach, and is CLEARLY backed up by Mack Brown being the highest paid coach in college football.

Have a nice day! LOL

Maybe you should study more in school. Yes, Texas does make the largest profits, but having the largest profits doesn't make your team the one with the most money.

I could buy a house for $50,000 and sell it for $100,000 and I have doubled my money.

Does that mean I have more money than someone who bought a house for $100,000 and sell it for $110,000? Whose house is worth more?

In the article it states Texas' program is worth $92 million and has the largest profits. However, it also states that Notre Dame is the most valuable program valued at $101 million.

You may want a refund of your tuition money, school isn't helping you youngin'. Have a nice day.

Would you rather have a company that has 1 billion in revenue but only $100 in profit, or a company that has 1 million in revenue and a 500k profit?

Have a nice day.

That isn't the point or what we were debating. The issue and debate is what program is worth more money and the answer is Notre Dame is worth more than any other program in college football and you can take that to the bank!

You never answered my question, so I win. LOL

Technically, you never answered mine either. You merely realized that you had no logical argument and asked a question that had no relevence what-so-ever. The point isn't what program (company) I would rather be apart of, the point is one has more money than the other and is able to spend it.

sleeper wrote: You never answered my question, so I win. LOL

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. Don't have the balls to make a wager on your ridiculously predictions?

^^^
Winston Churchill did not say that originally. It was Mark Twain but you must have a ND degree, so you are excused.

Actually I'm working on an Ohio State degree (kinda makes your insinuation of a lack of intelligence a bit ironic, no?). Notre Dame doesn't have a City and Regional Planning program. Plus I have a free ride to Ohio State and Notre Dame wouldn't throw that at me anyway.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=rag&q=%22I+may+be+drunk%2C+Miss%2C+but+in+the+morning+I+will+be+sober+and+you+will+still+be+ugly.%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

Those all point to Winston Churchill. Not saying you're wrong, but the Google gods say one thing... I am legitimately interested in knowing who said it. A fellow from England reassured me it was Winston Churchill when I was in Bowling Green about a month ago.

Yea well a guy I know who used to drink with Winnie down at the Four Roses Pub told me the old man himself admitted he stole it from Twain. So I claim my personal anecdote trumps your F'n Google search.

So hearsay trumps 21st-century technology? Okay. Again, I don't doubt you; but your lack of evidence isn't boding well for your argument.

I would say Kelly will be there somewhere around 8-10 years.

sjmvsfscs08 wrote: So hearsay trumps 21st-century technology? Okay. Again, I don't doubt you; but your lack of evidence isn't boding well for your argument.

When you don't have proof, just say whatever comes to mind.