The Equalizer wrote: ND is now where OSU was when Tressell came in, a proud program on down/mediocre times. Give Kelly time before playing Nostradamus and see what he can accomplish.

LMFAO! Compare them and you'll see that you're very wrong.

k_boogy--No, I do not believe he's using them as a stepping stone but the fact that they aren't a top tier program anymore can't be denied. ND fans just have to accept where they are as a program. I've already said on other threads that I hope Kelly can take them there--it's good for college football.

The difference between Urban Meyer's situation and that of Brian Kelly is that Urban Meyer, when he had the chance to go to Notre Dame, didn't. He went to Florida instead. Florida has better weather, a better immediate fountain of incredible football talent, less stringent admission requirements, and just as much financial where with all as Notre Dame. Plus, Florida was having more success than Notre Dame was, even then. Urban Meyer is now a legend in the ranks of college coaches. He won't leave Florida. Why should he. He has it absolutely made there and Florida would probably give him the key to King Midas's Vaults to keep him right where he is. Now let's consider Brian Kelly. Probably not the first choice for the position, left Cincinnati before their upcoming Bowl Game, which I would imagine tends to suggest that Coach Kelly might leave again. Once you do something, it becomes easier the second time. He has never recruited in division 1 and I know Urban Meyer hadn't either, but where would it be easier to recruit quality players? Notre Dame on the downslide with difficult entrance requirements, or Florida where you are a block or two from beaches and sun and beautiful girls etc, etc, etc, without the tough entrance requirements. It may not seem like a problem to those who bleed Notre Dame Blue and Gold, but I think it is a sizeable problem which gives Coach Meyer an incredible advantage. Also, there is the very real possibility that Charlie Weis won't be the last Irish coach to receive a large "buy-out" before his contract is completed. I think the chance exists that Brian Kelly will not finish out his first contract unless he can recruit great players to Notre Dame, get them admitted, and hope they are good enough to beat the Floridas and Texas's and yes, even the Ohio States of the football world.

In the last 15 years OSU has had 10 double digit win seasons. ND has had 2. OSU has never been below .500, better than 6 wins every year but 1. ND has been below .500 4 times and had 3 seasons with just 6 wins. ND played in 10 bowl games and they are 1-9. OSU has played in 15 bowl games with a record of 7-8.

So no, ND is no where near where OSU was when Tressel took over. We were a proud program but we weren't experiencing "mediocre" times.

SQ_Crazies wrote: k_boogy--No, I do not believe he's using them as a stepping stone but the fact that they aren't a top tier program anymore can't be denied. ND fans just have to accept where they are as a program. I've already said on other threads that I hope Kelly can take them there--it's good for college football.

I hope Kelly can do it. ND isnt a top tier program as we speak no we have been irrelevant for a while with a good season sprinkled in here or there. Do some coaches still consider it a top tier coaching position ya I do think some do or we wouldnt of got Kelly or have Brian Billick saying he is interesting in the job just because it was Notre Dame. To the players the name Notre Dame doesnt mean as much as it used to in the past but to some of the coaches it still means "Notre Dame."

It's still a good coaching job because of the prestige and history surrounding it. That can never be taken away. I just laugh at ND fans, my friends specifically, who get more upset than any fan of any other team in ANY sport when they lose or when you say something bad but true about ND. It's like they expect titles every year--funny thing is, most of them were still sucking their thumbs the last time ND was REALLY relevant.

Swamp Fox wrote: The difference between Urban Meyer's situation and that of Brian Kelly is that Urban Meyer, when he had the chance to go to Notre Dame, didn't. He went to Florida instead. Florida has better weather, a better immediate fountain of incredible football talent, less stringent admission requirements, and just as much financial where with all as Notre Dame. Plus, Florida was having more success than Notre Dame was, even then. Urban Meyer is now a legend in the ranks of college coaches. He won't leave Florida. Why should he. He has it absolutely made there and Florida would probably give him the key to King Midas's Vaults to keep him right where he is. Now let's consider Brian Kelly. Probably not the first choice for the position, left Cincinnati before their upcoming Bowl Game, which I would imagine tends to suggest that Coach Kelly might leave again. Once you do something, it becomes easier the second time. He has never recruited in division 1 and I know Urban Meyer hadn't either, but where would it be easier to recruit quality players? Notre Dame on the downslide with difficult entrance requirements, or Florida where you are a block or two from beaches and sun and beautiful girls etc, etc, etc, without the tough entrance requirements. It may not seem like a problem to those who bleed Notre Dame Blue and Gold, but I think it is a sizeable problem which gives Coach Meyer an incredible advantage. Also, there is the very real possibility that Charlie Weis won't be the last Irish coach to receive a large "buy-out" before his contract is completed. I think the chance exists that Brian Kelly will not finish out his first contract unless he can recruit great players to Notre Dame, get them admitted, and hope they are good enough to beat the Floridas and Texas's and yes, even the Ohio States of the football world.

So ur telling me that Kelly has not recruited one player while being at Central Michigan or Cincy. Yes Florida has the advantage in recruiting, one of the best football states and nice weather.

Ill give you that. ND, for whatever reason has been down for nearly 30 years. It isnt good for college football when they arent competetive. The same theory as MLB is better when the NYY are in the hunt. Even as low as they have sunk, ND was a job that 95% of coaches would have accepted.

SQ_Crazies wrote: It's still a good coaching job because if the prestige and history surrounding it. That can never be taken away. I just laugh at ND fans, my friends specifically, who get more upset than any fan of any other team in ANY sport when they lose or when you say something bad but true about ND. It's like they expect titles every year--funny thing is, most of them were still sucking their thumbs the last time ND was REALLY relevant.

LOL I understand this. My dad and I usually txt back and forth throughout the games and I will tell you what are txts usually say...... "we suck" lol. I will say tho did the ND faithful have high hopes for this season hell yes we did, but I dont think we expected our defense to be nearly as bas as it was. And after losing a couple of studs Im not expecting anything great out of Kelly the next two years just to make sure that the kids are getting better and improving. If he keeps doing that our record will start getting better and better until we are back with the big boys, well hopefully

No way the expectations should be too high for Kelly in the next few years. One mistake you can make is putting too much pressure on a coach too soon--it takes time. I hope he can get ND back in the bowl hunt so OSU can kick the shit out of them again

Fair Enough!! Good Luck. As Ive also stated, college football is a better brand when ND is in the mix. I hate saying it, but it is the way it is.

SQ_Crazies wrote: No way the expectations should be too high for Kelly in the next few years. One mistake you can make is putting too much pressure on a coach too soon--it takes time. I hope he can get ND back in the bowl hunt so OSU can kick the shit out of them again

Agree 1000000% well except that last part, lol. I dont want a repeat of of 2006. Friends still dont let me forget it.

They shouldn't after all the shit talk before the game! I bet AJ Hawk still makes Brady poo himself at family reunions. How many ND fans hate the number 47? LOL

SQ_Crazies wrote: They shouldn't after all the shit talk before the game! I bet AJ Hawk still makes Brady poo himself at family reunions. How many ND fans hate the number 47? LOL

LOL aint that the truth

Swamp Fox wrote: The difference between Urban Meyer's situation and that of Brian Kelly is that Urban Meyer, when he had the chance to go to Notre Dame, didn't. He went to Florida instead. Florida has better weather, a better immediate fountain of incredible football talent, less stringent admission requirements, and just as much financial where with all as Notre Dame. Plus, Florida was having more success than Notre Dame was, even then. Urban Meyer is now a legend in the ranks of college coaches. He won't leave Florida. Why should he. He has it absolutely made there and Florida would probably give him the key to King Midas's Vaults to keep him right where he is. Now let's consider Brian Kelly. Probably not the first choice for the position, left Cincinnati before their upcoming Bowl Game, which I would imagine tends to suggest that Coach Kelly might leave again. Once you do something, it becomes easier the second time. He has never recruited in division 1 and I know Urban Meyer hadn't either, but where would it be easier to recruit quality players? Notre Dame on the downslide with difficult entrance requirements, or Florida where you are a block or two from beaches and sun and beautiful girls etc, etc, etc, without the tough entrance requirements. It may not seem like a problem to those who bleed Notre Dame Blue and Gold, but I think it is a sizeable problem which gives Coach Meyer an incredible advantage. Also, there is the very real possibility that Charlie Weis won't be the last Irish coach to receive a large "buy-out" before his contract is completed. I think the chance exists that Brian Kelly will not finish out his first contract unless he can recruit great players to Notre Dame, get them admitted, and hope they are good enough to beat the Floridas and Texas's and yes, even the Ohio States of the football world.

Wherewithal? Sizable? You're a prime example of an athlete that wouldn't be able to meet those high standards. Not only in English, but in Geography as well. The University of Florida isn't that close to the ocean; Miami (well, Corral Gables) is, but Gainesville is right in the middle of the peninsula. It's a two-hour drive to St. Augustine and a ninety-minute drive to the Gulf. What football player worth his salt has that kind of free time? They absolutely own your life while you're there.

Furthermore, if the beach is so damn awesome, how do Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Penn State pull in good recruits every year? Even Illinois pulls in nice classes. the theory that prospective football players are hell-bent on pursing universities near the beach is a crock of shit. Oklahoma has nothing more than some Native Americans to stare at, and they pull in some of the finest classes.

http://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly

crist and kelly both seem extremely happy

LOL, sure is a hot topic. He is correct though, Gainesville is not close to the ocean. 2 hrs or more in either direction. The weather helping in recruiting? Id say, probably to some players. However, No post is perfect. It is spelled Coral Gables, Fl.

rocket31 wrote: http://twitter.com/CoachBrianKelly

crist and kelly both seem extremely happy

As they both should, they are both undefeated at their current schools! The fact that you are following Coach Kelly on Twitter..........ughhhhhhhh.........not so sure about that one?

Even if ND was a 2nd tier school, which they aren't, why would he leave? ND will spend more money than any other school on a coach. He is at the #1 (pay-wise) coaching job in the country.

Kelly will be paid FAR less than any of the top 5 coaches in NCAA Football!! If, he were to win something there, maybe. But calling it the #1 paying job right now, incorrect. Mack Brown at Texas, 5.1 million per year. Kelly wont be close to that.

september63 wrote: Kelly will be paid FAR less than any of the top 5 coaches in NCAA Football!! If, he were to win something there, maybe. But calling it the #1 paying job right now, incorrect. Mack Brown at Texas, 5.1 million per year. Kelly wont be close to that.

I didn't say he was the highest paid coach, but he is at the #1 place to be for getting paid. If he starts winning there, he will be by far the highest paid coach. ND has more money than any other school.

dwccrew wrote: Even if ND was a 2nd tier school, which they aren't, why would he leave? ND will spend more money than any other school on a coach. He is at the #1 (pay-wise) coaching job in the country.

Yep, and if he gets them to a BCS game, they will probably throw a lot more money at him.

wes_mantooth wrote:

dwccrew wrote: Even if ND was a 2nd tier school, which they aren't, why would he leave? ND will spend more money than any other school on a coach. He is at the #1 (pay-wise) coaching job in the country.

Yep, and if he gets them to a BCS game, they will probably throw a lot more money at him.

I HOPE they would have learned their lesson after doing the same shit with Weis.

He'll leave when he's fired. He won't quit his dream job.

dwccrew wrote:

september63 wrote: Kelly will be paid FAR less than any of the top 5 coaches in NCAA Football!! If, he were to win something there, maybe. But calling it the #1 paying job right now, incorrect. Mack Brown at Texas, 5.1 million per year. Kelly wont be close to that.

I didn't say he was the highest paid coach, but he is at the #1 place to be for getting paid. If he starts winning there, he will be by far the highest paid coach. ND has more money than any other school.

Harvard has 6 times more money than ND.

You've been ruined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment