Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 7, 2012 7:05pm
I don't think $5 mil for Crawford or $6.7 mil for Bass are really outlandish contracts at all. I've also read the 2nd year of Roy's contract isn't guaranteed. A $5 million commitment is nothing, it's like 8% of the salary cap, for 1 year, for a 3-time all-star.
I get the point of not overpaying, but some of those examples are reaches.
I get the point of not overpaying, but some of those examples are reaches.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jul 7, 2012 7:09pm
Mulva;1220459 wrote:I don't think $5 mil for Crawford or $6.7 mil for Bass are really outlandish contracts at all. I've also read the 2nd year of Roy's contract isn't guaranteed. A $5 million commitment is nothing, it's like 8% of the salary cap, for 1 year, for a 3-time all-star.
I get the point of not overpaying, but some of those examples are reaches.
A bench player worth almost 7 mill a year? And crawfords isn't bad at all. But Brandon Roy retired from bad knees that's just a waste of 5 mill for a guy that plays a 1/4 of a season
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jul 7, 2012 7:14pm
It'd be stupid to sign guys and lock up cap space when you don't have to. I think the Cavs want to fill the roster with cap friendly contracts to keep options open in terms of FA next season and trades during the deadline.Mulva;1220459 wrote:I don't think $5 mil for Crawford or $6.7 mil for Bass are really outlandish contracts at all. I've also read the 2nd year of Roy's contract isn't guaranteed. A $5 million commitment is nothing, it's like 8% of the salary cap, for 1 year, for a 3-time all-star.
I get the point of not overpaying, but some of those examples are reaches.
The luxury tac changes next year and goes up quite a bit, so the Cavs could be waiting to see what teams are giving up financially and selling/trading off their better players to rebuild.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 7, 2012 7:19pm
Bass has started most of the last 2 seasons, including all of the playoffs this year.Crimson streak;1220461 wrote:A bench player worth almost 7 mill a year?
What if the Cavs end up signing Ilyasova for $9-10 mil/yr? Are you going to be consistent with your overpaying stance? Or does that suddenly become a great move.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jul 7, 2012 7:21pm
Ersan has a very good PER and per 36 #'s. As I posted before, when he got an average of 30 MPG, he averaged 19/10 for the Bucks. He had a monster 29/22 game last season as well.Mulva;1220472 wrote:Bass has started most of the last 2 seasons, including all of the playoffs this year.
What if the Cavs end up signing Ilyasova for $9-10 mil/yr? Are you going to be consistent with your overpaying stance? Or does that suddenly become a great move.
If he's 25, I think I'd be ok with the signing. If he's 28 like some rumors say, then no.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 7, 2012 7:32pm
1/2 of a good season doesn't make a guy worth $10 mil/yr, does it? That's sort of the whole rationale behind saying teams are overpaying for guys like Lin and Dragic.hoops23;1220476 wrote:Ersan has a very good PER and per 36 #'s. As I posted before, when he got an average of 30 MPG, he averaged 19/10 for the Bucks. He had a monster 29/22 game last season as well.
If he's 25, I think I'd be ok with the signing. If he's 28 like some rumors say, then no.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Jul 7, 2012 7:53pm
Mulva;1220472 wrote:Bass has started most of the last 2 seasons, including all of the playoffs this year.
What if the Cavs end up signing Ilyasova for $9-10 mil/yr? Are you going to be consistent with your overpaying stance? Or does that suddenly become a great move.
I don't like 9-10 mill I would like somewhere around 5-6. He's young and talented. I don't want anyone who is not part of the future until its time to contend
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jul 8, 2012 3:36pm
Pretty nice article on Waiters' stats: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242444-cleveland-cavaliers-made-correct-draft-choice-in-dion-waiters
Points per 40 minutes, pace adjusted:
PER:
Points per 40 minutes, pace adjusted:
Points per possession:Waiters: 21.2
Harrison Barnes: 21.2
Jeremy Lamb: 19.4
Austin Rivers: 18.0
Bradley Beal:17.4
Waiters: 1.20
Harrison Barnes: 1.12
Jeremy Lamb: 1.21
Austin Rivers: 1.09
Bradley Beal: 1.14
PER:
Waiters - 26.1
Beal - 22.0
Lamb - 21.9
Barnes - 21.0
Rivers - 16.8
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jul 8, 2012 3:46pm
According to John Hollinger's player rating formula, he's the best small wing since Wade. Also has Kyrie just under Chris Paul with the 2nd best PG rating coming into the league, and TT as the best big in the draft, ahead of Derrick Williams and the 9th best post player since 2002.
Only 9 players since 2002 have rated as high as Waiters, and the only one that didn't pan out was Josh Childress.
Only 9 players since 2002 have rated as high as Waiters, and the only one that didn't pan out was Josh Childress.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 8, 2012 4:10pm
Also, looks like Ilyasova will be signing a 5 yr, $45 mil deal to stay with Milwaukee. I'm personally very happy about that. Doesn't sound like the Cavs were that close/interested anyway.Speaking of free agents, there doesn't seem to be much of a market for Cavs forward Alonzo Gee to date. There has been no offer for the Cavs to match. One agent said he'd recommend the 6-foot-6 forward to take the $2.7 million qualifying offer he was offered. Talk of him getting a four-year, $16 million offer from the Suns is long gone
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 8, 2012 5:27pm
What is a small wing? Does that just mean 2 guard?GOONx19;1220881 wrote:best small wing since Wade
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jul 8, 2012 5:32pm
I would assume. Or an undersized 3.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jul 8, 2012 5:45pm
Rumors that the Cavs are the 3rd team involved in a trade that would send Dwight to Brooklyn
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jul 8, 2012 5:47pm
KR1245;1220987 wrote:Rumors that the Cavs are the 3rd team involved in a trade that would send Dwight to Brooklyn
Hmmmm
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jul 8, 2012 5:53pm
Ken Berger‏@KBergCBS
Progress with Cleveland as third team first mentioned by @TommyDeeTKB. Deal far from agreed to, but progress being made, source says.
Progress with Cleveland as third team first mentioned by @TommyDeeTKB. Deal far from agreed to, but progress being made, source says.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jul 8, 2012 5:58pm
Interesting.
Is AV included? every Cleveland talking head thinks that he will be involved in all trade talk
Is AV included? every Cleveland talking head thinks that he will be involved in all trade talk
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jul 8, 2012 6:06pm
I'm not sure. We'd likely get Humphries.wes_mantooth;1221001 wrote:Interesting.
Is AV included? every Cleveland talking head thinks that he will be involved in all trade talk
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jul 8, 2012 6:08pm
what the hell is this?
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas and Cleveland are among teams with cap space that would interest Bynum in 2013 as a free agent, sources tell Y!
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas and Cleveland are among teams with cap space that would interest Bynum in 2013 as a free agent, sources tell Y!
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jul 8, 2012 6:09pm
KR1245;1221015 wrote:what the hell is this?
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas and Cleveland are among teams with cap space that would interest Bynum in 2013 as a free agent, sources tell Y!
Yes! We can be like laker fans and keep waiting for him to get his shit together for an entire season....lol
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jul 8, 2012 6:13pm
No shit.
I dont see the point in putting this out there right now. He will probably change his mind a dozen times before the end of next season anyways
I dont see the point in putting this out there right now. He will probably change his mind a dozen times before the end of next season anyways
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jul 8, 2012 6:16pm
Even though I really don't like the dude I'd love to have him. Unless we give up a ridiculous amount of course.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jul 8, 2012 6:24pm
Rotinaj;1221026 wrote:Even though I really don't like the dude I'd love to have him. Unless we give up a ridiculous amount of course.
Of money?? He'd be a ufa, so it wouldn't cost us players.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 8, 2012 6:31pm
If he ever signed with the Cavs he would probably become my favorite player for the sheer fact that he wanted to come to Cleveland. He would also fill a huge need (no offense to Tyler Zeller).
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jul 8, 2012 6:33pm
I agree. I'm surprised that he mentioned Cleveland, that usually doesnt happenMulva;1221033 wrote:If he ever signed with the Cavs he would probably become my favorite player for the sheer fact that he wanted to come to Cleveland. He would also fill a huge need (no offense to Tyler Zeller).
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Jul 8, 2012 6:36pm
I wasn't aware. I really don't care how much money they gave him.Midstate01;1221028 wrote:Of money?? He'd be a ufa, so it wouldn't cost us players.