password
Posts: 2,360
Dec 15, 2011 1:49pm
CCrunner must already be a member of his religion.4cards;1015955 wrote:...no he'll become a coach and show them how to clean themselves properly in the shower!
password
Posts: 2,360
Dec 15, 2011 1:50pm
Is she Catholic?SnotBubbles;1015975 wrote:
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 15, 2011 1:53pm
The problem is that your "interpretation" doesn't line up with the facts/history of the "X".sleeper;1015882 wrote:X to me means to take the Christ out of Christmas. Sorry your interpretation is different than mine.
But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your opinion.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 15, 2011 1:54pm
The fact that you are allowed to vote and reproduce affects me then. Your posts with regards to this subject have been completely ignorant of any facts.sleeper;1015895 wrote:These people are allowed to vote and reproduce. It definitely affects me.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 15, 2011 1:57pm
You do realize it takes just as much faith in the things unknown (as in isn't known by science) to believe in evolution and to believe there is NOT a supreme being than to believer there is?sleeper;1015918 wrote:Look, when churches pay taxes, religion is vetted against Science in schools(like everything else), people are ridiculed for believing in their "faith", and there are no more religious holidays, then I will be happy. Until then, I will continue to campaign against the illogical sinkhole that is religion, and you can continue to live in a mediocrity driven religious society.
Prove to me that a belief in a supreme being is "illogical" since you believe yourself to be so smart.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 15, 2011 1:58pm
This couldn't be more contradictive if you tried. You say religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they infringe on your rights...think about that for a second and then contact OSU and ask for some money back.sleeper;1015924 wrote:No way. They are one in the same. Groups don't just practice religion, they infringe on the rights of other logical and rational Americans. I'm all for religious people who don't vote and don't reproduce, book it!
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 15, 2011 2:00pm
I preach uncertainty. I am not arrogant to pretend to know what really happens and then base my life on what I do not know. That makes me a rational being, and that makes you a slave to irrationality and mediocrity.jmog;1015996 wrote:You do realize it takes just as much faith in the things unknown (as in isn't known by science) to believe in evolution and to believe there is NOT a supreme being than to believer there is?
Prove to me that a belief in a supreme being is "illogical" since you believe yourself to be so smart.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 15, 2011 2:01pm
OSU did not teach me everything. I am forever indebted to what they did teach me, and that is to never give up and to never divide anything by zero.jmog;1016000 wrote:This couldn't be more contradictive if you tried. You say religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they infringe on your rights...think about that for a second and then contact OSU and ask for some money back.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:02pm
The thing I hate most about atheists...jmog;1016000 wrote:This couldn't be more contradictive if you tried. You say religious people shouldn't be allowed to vote because they infringe on your rights...think about that for a second and then contact OSU and ask for some money back.
"I hate how religious people are all up in your face about their religious views, so let me get all up in your face about my religious views"
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Dec 15, 2011 2:09pm
Do you feel it should be a one-way street? Or that no one should be up in anyone's faces about their views?
4cards
Posts: 2,551
Dec 15, 2011 2:11pm
...no she's a quadruple Epassword;1015981 wrote:Is she Catholic?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:14pm
Neither really. It's just hypocritical. Personally I don't really care to hear either. I just find it hilarious when one does exactly what they are complaining about. I know it's just Sleeper being Sleeper, but honestly what he has posted isn't really any different than hardcore atheists. They complain about religions trying to force their religious views, then turn around and try to force their religious views.gorocks99;1016036 wrote:Do you feel it should be a one-way street? Or that no one should be up in anyone's faces about their views?
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Dec 15, 2011 2:17pm
I prefer being up in peoples' faces to deliver money shots. Which might not be the same as religious views, but are more fun to give away.gorocks99;1016036 wrote:Do you feel it should be a one-way street? Or that no one should be up in anyone's faces about their views?
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Dec 15, 2011 2:25pm
lolwut. there is no faith in evolution, it is overwhelmingly supported by empirical evidence. other areas of science i agree with you (even fucking gravitational theory) but not this one. Alvin Plantiga (you know, the philosopher who made it possible for modern christian philosophers/academics to not get laughed out of their professions) acknowledges that evolution is true.jmog;1015996 wrote:You do realize it takes just as much faith in the things unknown (as in isn't known by science) to believe in evolution and to believe there is NOT a supreme being than to believer there is?
Prove to me that a belief in a supreme being is "illogical" since you believe yourself to be so smart.
as for proving a supreme being is illogical? well the argument from evil (especially natural evil) does a damn good job of that. obviously there is much debate still, but lets not act like evolution is some fringe science lacking evidence.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Dec 15, 2011 2:31pm
That's a fair point. Although it would be a pretty boring world if no one tried to have a discussion about their personal beliefs, the end goal of which being to get the other person to concede points or to find middle ground. The "middle ground" argument is difficult in topics of religion, so usually it comes down to "I'm right because xyz" or, more exactly in a lot of discussions I try to have "I'm right, in my mind, because xyz"LJ;1016047 wrote:Neither really. It's just hypocritical. Personally I don't really care to hear either. I just find it hilarious when one does exactly what they are complaining about. I know it's just Sleeper being Sleeper, but honestly what he has posted isn't really any different than hardcore atheists. They complain about religions trying to force their religious views, then turn around and try to force their religious views.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:35pm
I'm more of the live and let live when it comes to religion. I'm gonna do what I do, and leave me alone otherwise. My BIL posts atheist videos on his facebook ALL THE time and it annoys the hell out of me. On the other hand, my cousin posts evangelical videos on his all the time and it annoys the hell out of me.gorocks99;1016077 wrote:That's a fair point. Although it would be a pretty boring world if no one tried to have a discussion about their personal beliefs, the end goal of which being to get the other person to concede points or to find middle ground. The "middle ground" argument is difficult in topics of religion, so usually it comes down to "I'm right because xyz" or, more exactly in a lot of discussions I try to have "I'm right, in my mind, because xyz"
You do get your nutjobs, but when it comes to hardcore atheists vs hardcore Christians or Jews, or whatever, it seems they just egg each other on so much that neither really practices what they preach.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:36pm
Is it bad that I believe in evolution and a higher being? That a higher being set into motion the Big Bang etc etc etc?tcarrier32;1016068 wrote:lolwut. there is no faith in evolution, it is overwhelmingly supported by empirical evidence. other areas of science i agree with you (even fucking gravitational theory) but not this one. Alvin Plantiga (you know, the philosopher who made it possible for modern christian philosophers/academics to not get laughed out of their professions) acknowledges that evolution is true.
as for proving a supreme being is illogical? well the argument from evil (especially natural evil) does a damn good job of that. obviously there is much debate still, but lets not act like evolution is some fringe science lacking evidence.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 15, 2011 2:40pm
This has nothing to do with religion, rather EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TOPIC ON THE OC!gorocks99;1016077 wrote:That's a fair point. Although it would be a pretty boring world if no one tried to have a discussion about their personal beliefs, the end goal of which being to get the other person to concede points or to find middle ground. The "middle ground" argument is difficult in topics of religion, so usually it comes down to "I'm right because xyz" or, more exactly in a lot of discussions I try to have "I'm right, in my mind, because xyz"
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Dec 15, 2011 2:41pm
Prove it.ernest_t_bass;1016094 wrote:This has nothing to do with religion, rather EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TOPIC ON THE OC!
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Dec 15, 2011 2:41pm
I don't disagree with what you're saying. But I wonder if you could provide examples of "hardcore" atheists actually infringing on the rights of others? I'm not talking about the personality cults of Pol Pot/Stalin (which fulfill the sufficient conditions for consideration of religion). I'm talking about people who would consider themselves Humanists or something of the like. I've never heard of an atheist organization receiving tax breaks that systematically protected rapists for nearly half a century. There is a big difference between "I don't want religion in the government" and "I don't consider atheists to be citizens of the US or patriots. This is one nation, under god."LJ;1016083 wrote:I'm more of the live and let live when it comes to religion. I'm gonna do what I do, and leave me alone otherwise. My BIL posts atheist videos on his facebook ALL THE time and it annoys the hell out of me. On the other hand, my cousin posts evangelical videos on his all the time and it annoys the hell out of me.
You do get your nutjobs, but when it comes to hardcore atheists vs hardcore Christians or Jews, or whatever, it seems they just egg each other on so much that neither really practices what they preach.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:43pm
Where did I say rights? and what rights of yours has religion infringed on? I too have a problem with the Catholic church hiding pedos, but that was a problem within the church, not religion itself.tcarrier32;1016096 wrote:I don't disagree with what you're saying. But I wonder if you could provide examples of "hardcore" atheists actually infringing on the rights of others? I'm not talking about the personality cults of Pol Pot/Stalin (which fulfill the sufficient conditions for consideration of religion). I'm talking about people who would consider themselves Humanists or something of the like. I've never heard of an atheist organization receiving tax breaks that systematically protected rapists for nearly half a century. There is a big difference between "I don't want religion in the government" and "I don't consider atheists to be citizens of the US or patriots. This is one nation, under god."
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Dec 15, 2011 2:44pm
Religion has influenced the fact that I can't see boobies at any time on cable TV. So, in conclusion, more boobs.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:44pm
btw, I loathe Catholicism and many of it's interpratations
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Dec 15, 2011 2:47pm
Bad? Absolutely not. I just have no need for the 'God of Gaps'. I have entertained your line of thinking though. The only intelligible arguments from Theism posit circumstances that you are hinting at, but unfortunately the Gaps in the aforementioned theory grow smaller with time.LJ;1016084 wrote:Is it bad that I believe in evolution and a higher being? That a higher being set into motion the Big Bang etc etc etc?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Dec 15, 2011 2:52pm
thats just you being a cheap assgorocks99;1016105 wrote:Religion has influenced the fact that I can't see boobies at any time on cable TV. So, in conclusion, more boobs.