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Nov 17, 2013 1:16 PM
robj55;1537286 wrote:Had it the same, what a close tough fight. Great night of fights. Chael got run through
"I made one significant mistake tonight and that was that I was fighting a better fighter and I got mauled" -Chael in the press conference.
Nov 17, 2013 1:16pm
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Nov 17, 2013 1:23 PM
Significant strikes is quickly becoming a stupid way to measure fights. If fighter a throws 17 significant strikes and fighter b throws 18. That's a great place to start but what about who's signicant strikes did more damage. Who had ring control and was pushing the action. MMA has to figure out a better scoring system but that's why you don't leave it in the hands if the judges.
Nov 17, 2013 1:23pm
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Nov 17, 2013 1:27 PM
sportchampps;1537323 wrote:Significant strikes is quickly becoming a stupid way to measure fights. If fighter a throws 17 significant strikes and fighter b throws 18. That's a great place to start but what about who's signicant strikes did more damage. Who had ring control and was pushing the action. MMA has to figure out a better scoring system but that's why you don't leave it in the hands if the judges.
Damage is part of it. When you judge round by round though with a 10 point must system sometimes the person who dished the overall most damage will lose. I can't think of how to change it without introducing even more arbitrary scoring though.
Nov 17, 2013 1:27pm
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Nov 17, 2013 2:07 PM
In round 1 Hendricks did more damage. The only stat in favor of GSP in round 1 was 1 more significant strike. Out of all the signicant strikes Hendricks had probably 80% of the hardest strikes in round 1. They each had one takedown in round 1 Hendricks even had the slight edge on how long he held GSP down. He pushed the pace and was coming forward and controlled GSP against the cage. GSP had a half hearted submission attempt as well but that's it. The submission was never anywhere near threatening.

My original comment was on a round by round basis.
Nov 17, 2013 2:07pm
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Nov 17, 2013 2:16 PM
BTW Dana White has said GSP need to give Hendricks an immediate rematch or just retire. He said he owes it to the company title belt Hendricks and fans to either retire or grant the quick rematch.
Nov 17, 2013 2:16pm
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Nov 17, 2013 2:49 PM
sportchampps;1537388 wrote:BTW Dana White has said GSP need to give Hendricks an immediate rematch or just retire. He said he owes it to the company title belt Hendricks and fans to either retire or grant the quick rematch.
Dana is an asshole. GSP doesn't owe anyone anything. If he needs time off he can take it, especially in a dangerous sport like this. Strip him of the title or make an interrim belt if he's gone too long but Dana, like he often does, was being extremely childish about it.

GSP said he's having trouble sleeping and that he feels like he's going crazy. Probably just anxiety but still not a good thing especially in mma. And even if he just wants to start a family or something, he doesn't owe anyone anything.
Nov 17, 2013 2:49pm
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Nov 17, 2013 2:53 PM
sportchampps;1537379 wrote:In round 1 Hendricks did more damage. The only stat in favor of GSP in round 1 was 1 more significant strike. Out of all the signicant strikes Hendricks had probably 80% of the hardest strikes in round 1. They each had one takedown in round 1 Hendricks even had the slight edge on how long he held GSP down. He pushed the pace and was coming forward and controlled GSP against the cage. GSP had a half hearted submission attempt as well but that's it. The submission was never anywhere near threatening.

My original comment was on a round by round basis.
Hendricks only real damage in round one was the 4 seconds of elbows which weren't that hard, Rogan was just going nuts over them. And most of the knees Rogan screamed about being big missed and the ones that landed weren't that damaging. Damage was maybe slightly in Hendricks favor that round and the submission attempt wasn't halfassed. He had it decently deep and nearly transitioned to mount with it. Either way that would negate the slight edge Johny gained by doing damage. It was an extremely close round. Could have gone either way.
Nov 17, 2013 2:53pm
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Nov 17, 2013 3:47 PM
sportchampps;1537379 wrote:In round 1 Hendricks did more damage. The only stat in favor of GSP in round 1 was 1 more significant strike. Out of all the signicant strikes Hendricks had probably 80% of the hardest strikes in round 1. They each had one takedown in round 1 Hendricks even had the slight edge on how long he held GSP down. He pushed the pace and was coming forward and controlled GSP against the cage. GSP had a half hearted submission attempt as well but that's it. The submission was never anywhere near threatening.

My original comment was on a round by round basis.
1st rd could have gone to either fighter. GSP did get a takedown and worked a choke until he let go. The decision isn't "robbery" like some are making it to be. It was a close fight. A robbery is Shogun/Machida I.

Another thing regarding damage. GSP's face bruises and cuts very easily so it's a bit misleading from a visual stand point. His face looked like it did last night against Condit who he controlled and Diaz who he dominated.

I disliked Hendricks coming into the fight and after his comments last night, I really don't care for him. Came across as a whiner.
sportchampps;1537388 wrote:BTW Dana White has said GSP need to give Hendricks an immediate rematch or just retire. He said he owes it to the company title belt Hendricks and fans to either retire or grant the quick rematch.
GSP owes nothing to anyone. Let him retire. Dana is an egotistical asshole and came across as one last night. He's nothing but a promoter and shouldn't step in on someones personal agenda like he did last night. GSP said he's pretty much going crazy and if that's the case, he's not mentally there anymore. Let him what he wants to do and not become what he let liddell become, a punch drunk has been. GSP has said in the past he wants a family with at least 5 kids. Let him start his family. He's got so many miles on his body for only being 32...if he does in fact retire....I say thank you for everything GSP has given us.
Nov 17, 2013 3:47pm
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Nov 17, 2013 6:02 PM
Dana doesn't care if he retires he just doesn't want him sitting out a year and holding the belt with no intention of defending it. I think as a champion you should be expected to defend your title as long as you are not injured.
Nov 17, 2013 6:02pm
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Nov 17, 2013 6:40 PM
Hopefully Lawler or Woodley gets the Condit/Brown winner. If Hendricks doesn't get the rematch I want to see him fight McDonald.
Nov 17, 2013 6:40pm
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Nov 17, 2013 7:55 PM
Lawyer should get the Condit brown winner imo...
Nov 17, 2013 7:55pm
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Nov 17, 2013 9:32 PM
sportchampps;1537601 wrote:Dana doesn't care if he retires he just doesn't want him sitting out a year and holding the belt with no intention of defending it. I think as a champion you should be expected to defend your title as long as you are not injured.
Strip it then or make an interrim one. Dana whining about what GSP owes him or anyone is fucking pathetic.
Nov 17, 2013 9:32pm
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Nov 18, 2013 7:02 AM
I Wear Pants;1537728 wrote:Strip it then or make an interrim one. Dana whining about what GSP owes him or anyone is fucking pathetic.
I think you're reading into what he's saying too much. He's their biggest draw, you can't just decide to go on hiatus. Tell your boss you're gonna take some time and you'll be back when you feel ready, you can't do that.

What would GSP be without the UFC? He owes them a lot. UFC would be around with or without GSP.
Nov 18, 2013 7:02am
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Nov 18, 2013 9:29 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1537840 wrote:I think you're reading into what he's saying too much. He's their biggest draw, you can't just decide to go on hiatus. Tell your boss you're gonna take some time and you'll be back when you feel ready, you can't do that.

What would GSP be without the UFC? He owes them a lot. UFC would be around with or without GSP.
Dana is always going on about how he doesn't want people fighting if their head/heart isn't in it anymore. That's where GSP is, he's just being honest and not calling it a retirement unlike Randy/Penn/Diaz. He needs some time, give it to him.

His job is very much different than our jobs. Try telling your boss you need more than a year off for a torn ACL. Won't work either. But still, GSP only fights like 2-3 times a year anyway so being out 9 months or whatever isn't catastrophic. If he's gone more than 6 months I think they should set up an interrim title but he shouldn't at all be pressured to stay.
Nov 18, 2013 9:29am
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Nov 18, 2013 10:12 AM
Heard Rogan was on Opie and Anthony this morning and he thinks GSP should retire.
Nov 18, 2013 10:12am
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Nov 18, 2013 10:54 AM
GSP is clearly past his prime, he has gotten hit in the last 3 fights more than he had his entire career basically. His physical gifts are diminishing a bit. I don't wanna see him retire but possibly taking 9 months off would do wonders for him.
Nov 18, 2013 10:54am
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Nov 18, 2013 12:48 PM
Dana's comments after the fight were just horrible. The UFC has been getting a relative free pass on the brain injuries deal because it's still a pretty new sport. When the first wave of guys like Hendo, Big Nog, Shogun, Wandy, etc. are about to be hitting the I can't remember my kids name/deep depression phase that will end. Knowing that, he's going to come out and say GSP's problems aren't that bad and he owes the UFC another fight? Your biggest draw just described anxiety, not being able sleep, and memory/vision loss. Let him do whatever he wants.
Nov 18, 2013 12:48pm
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Nov 18, 2013 12:58 PM
Zoltan;1538026 wrote:Dana's comments after the fight were just horrible. The UFC has been getting a relative free pass on the brain injuries deal because it's still a pretty new sport. When the first wave of guys like Hendo, Big Nog, Shogun, Wandy, etc. are about to be hitting the I can't remember my kids name/deep depression phase that will end. Knowing that, he's going to come out and say GSP's problems aren't that bad and he owes the UFC another fight? Your biggest draw just described anxiety, not being able sleep, and memory/vision loss. Let him do whatever he wants.
All guys from Pride in an organization that allowed head stomps and soccer kicks.
Nov 18, 2013 12:58pm
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Nov 18, 2013 1:09 PM
Yeah those were the only dangerous things about MMA. :rolleyes:
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Nov 18, 2013 2:19 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1538030 wrote:All guys from Pride in an organization that allowed head stomps and soccer kicks.
True, but it doesn't matter. That excuse would not fly and even it did it would only hold things over until the next generation (Diego Sanchez, Cowboy, Leonard Garcia, Frankie Edgar, etc) are having the same issues. Dana is not dumb and has openly told guys to retire before, but this reaction could be held against him for years.
Nov 18, 2013 2:19pm
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Nov 18, 2013 2:43 PM
Zoltan;1538109 wrote:True, but it doesn't matter. That excuse would not fly and even it did it would only hold things over until the next generation (Diego Sanchez, Cowboy, Leonard Garcia, Frankie Edgar, etc) are having the same issues. Dana is not dumb and has openly told guys to retire before, but this reaction could be held against him for years.
Not nearly as bad as boxing though. Two weeks ago a fighter was put into a medically induced coma and then had a stroke after the 10 round beating he took. MMA is a lot safer than boxing and football. I'd say it's safer than hockey too.
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Nov 18, 2013 2:51 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1538126 wrote:Not nearly as bad as boxing though. Two weeks ago a fighter was put into a medically induced coma and then had a stroke after the 10 round beating he took. MMA is a lot safer than boxing and football. I'd say it's safer than hockey too.
Agree it's safer than boxing, MAYBE football, but can't imagine hockey being worse. One of the biggest factors in long term brain damage are the small, repetitive blows football players (especially lineman) take every play, and fighters take in sparing. In Hockey you get the heavy blows like MMA, but not nearly the repetitive impact. It's just not good to be hit in the head, ever. Even soccer players who "head" the ball a lot have shown signs of damage.
Nov 18, 2013 2:51pm
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Nov 18, 2013 3:04 PM
Zoltan;1538128 wrote:Agree it's safer than boxing, MAYBE football, but can't imagine hockey being worse. One of the biggest factors in long term brain damage are the small, repetitive blows football players (especially lineman) take every play, and fighters take in sparing. In Hockey you get the heavy blows like MMA, but not nearly the repetitive impact. It's just not good to be hit in the head, ever. Even soccer players who "head" the ball a lot have shown signs of damage.
The hits in football are anything but small and they're definitely repetitive not to mention they take those hits over the course of an hour 4 times a month plus practice.

Even when training, fighters don't spar everyday and from what i understand it's not even once a week depending on where they are in the training process.
Nov 18, 2013 3:04pm