Ohio Chatter
Ohio Chatter

Forums

All Threads Serious Business Sports Politics Archive Pick 'ems Wordio
Log In Create Account

MMA News

Home ▸ Archive ▸ Serious Business ▸ MMA News
Z

Zen

Member

94 posts
Apr 20, 2013 7:45 PM
The carmont fight is a prime example of how the judges weigh a simple takedown, where you accomplish nothing, more than serious submission attempts and striking to the legs. What did carmont land one, maybe two takedowns the while fight? He did almost no damage from the top and was almost submitted twice from the bottom.
Apr 20, 2013 7:45pm
Hb31187's avatar

Hb31187

Senior Member

8,534 posts
Apr 20, 2013 8:49 PM
must be a Diaz brother rule to act like a complete douche during the fight
Apr 20, 2013 8:49pm
Fab1b's avatar

Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Apr 20, 2013 9:17 PM
Good card so far tonight. The prelims were great!
Apr 20, 2013 9:17pm
Fab1b's avatar

Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Apr 20, 2013 9:30 PM
DC did what he had to do wish he'd landed some of them big swings!
Apr 20, 2013 9:30pm
Hb31187's avatar

Hb31187

Senior Member

8,534 posts
Apr 20, 2013 9:49 PM
yeah the DC fight was rather boring IMO. 90% of it was with DC just leaning on Mir.

this title fight should be fast and furious pace n very exciting
Apr 20, 2013 9:49pm
Fab1b's avatar

Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Apr 20, 2013 10:22 PM
Close fight!
Apr 20, 2013 10:22pm
Fab1b's avatar

Fab1b

The Bald A-Hole!!

12,949 posts
Apr 20, 2013 10:23 PM
I had it the other way myself but very close!
Apr 20, 2013 10:23pm
robj55's avatar

robj55

Senior Member

9,511 posts
Apr 20, 2013 10:30 PM
What an outstanding card, I hope you guys got to watch it all the way through, unreal! Had Gilbert winning 48-47 but that was about as close as you can get.
Apr 20, 2013 10:30pm
S

sportchampps

Senior Member

7,361 posts
Apr 21, 2013 12:12 AM
I had Gilbert winning as well. Instead of a rematch grant vs Maynard gets the next shot at Benson. Overall a great card top to bottom. Dillashaw really impressed me as did josh Thompson
Apr 21, 2013 12:12am
Enforcer's avatar

Enforcer

Senior Member

2,140 posts
Apr 21, 2013 1:06 AM
NNNaaaattteeee DDiiiiiiaaazzzzz HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
Apr 21, 2013 1:06am
robj55's avatar

robj55

Senior Member

9,511 posts
Apr 21, 2013 1:26 AM
Enforcer;1430818 wrote:NNNaaaattteeee DDiiiiiiaaazzzzz HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL
What's funny about it?
Apr 21, 2013 1:26am
Enforcer's avatar

Enforcer

Senior Member

2,140 posts
Apr 21, 2013 3:54 AM
I think its funny He got his Ass beat, That is all
Apr 21, 2013 3:54am
Z

Zombaypirate

Senior Member

581 posts
Apr 21, 2013 11:01 AM
Zen;1430634 wrote:The carmont fight is a prime example of how the judges weigh a simple takedown, where you accomplish nothing, more than serious submission attempts and striking to the legs. What did carmont land one, maybe two takedowns the while fight? He did almost no damage from the top and was almost submitted twice from the bottom.
a simple takedown? you know nothing about fighting. A takedown is never simple unless the opponent is clueless.
Apr 21, 2013 11:01am
Z

Zombaypirate

Senior Member

581 posts
Apr 21, 2013 11:03 AM
sportchampps;1430794 wrote:I had Gilbert winning as well. Instead of a rematch grant vs Maynard gets the next shot at Benson. Overall a great card top to bottom. Dillashaw really impressed me as did josh Thompson
yep I had Gilbert winning also though I had Frankie beating Henderson in the second match. Hopefully there will be a Melendez vs Henderson ll
Apr 21, 2013 11:03am
S

sportchampps

Senior Member

7,361 posts
Apr 21, 2013 11:08 AM
Some of the things they consider takedowns are simple. In wrestling a takedown requires control. In MMA if you make your oppenent hit the mat even for a second without gaining any real control Followed by the down fighter very quickly returning to his feet I don't think that should be considered a takedown. I've seen fighters slip and fall and stay down on the mat longer then some of these supposed takedowns.
Apr 21, 2013 11:08am
S

sportchampps

Senior Member

7,361 posts
Apr 21, 2013 11:08 AM
BTW I had Gilbert winning the first 2 and fifth not the first three like Sonnen and them were saying.
Apr 21, 2013 11:08am
robj55's avatar

robj55

Senior Member

9,511 posts
Apr 21, 2013 1:32 PM
Enforcer;1430877 wrote:I think its funny He got his Ass beat, That is all
Well I'm glad you got your fill of entertainment.
Apr 21, 2013 1:32pm
robj55's avatar

robj55

Senior Member

9,511 posts
Apr 21, 2013 1:33 PM
sportchampps;1430921 wrote:BTW I had Gilbert winning the first 2 and fifth not the first three like Sonnen and them were saying.
I had the same, Ben would always try and turn it on the last 30 seconds to steal the rounds but I felt Gil controlled the range and pace and landed the harder shots, close ass fight though.
Apr 21, 2013 1:33pm
Enforcer's avatar

Enforcer

Senior Member

2,140 posts
Apr 21, 2013 2:49 PM
robj55;1430976 wrote:Well I'm glad you got your fill of entertainment.
Anytime a Diaz loses I'm entertained.
Apr 21, 2013 2:49pm
Z

Zen

Member

94 posts
Apr 21, 2013 3:17 PM
Zombaypirate;1430918 wrote:a simple takedown? you know nothing about fighting. A takedown is never simple unless the opponent is clueless.

In theory yes, but if you watched that fight you would understand the point I was making. There is a difference between what GSP does with a takedown (controlling his opponent and putting them in situations they don't want to be in) and what this guy was doing (only achieving the open guard, landing no sig strikes from there, taking damage and getting put into serious submission attempts). IMO taking a guy down and staying in the full guard, laying on your opponent shouldn't be weighed as a dominate position. Depending on the skill level of a fighter, the guard can be a 50/50 or a better position, for instance I thought Mir should have stayed on the ground with DC instead o fighting off takedown attempts so that he could work towards a submission.

I feel like some judges come from the boxing world and not knowing what a fighter is doing from the bottom, they need empirical evidence to make a decision, so they go with # of takedowns instead of quality takedowns.
Apr 21, 2013 3:17pm
robj55's avatar

robj55

Senior Member

9,511 posts
Apr 21, 2013 5:08 PM
Enforcer;1431002 wrote:Anytime a Diaz loses I'm entertained.
Glad you enjoyed it, I was gutted.
Apr 21, 2013 5:08pm
S

sportchampps

Senior Member

7,361 posts
Apr 21, 2013 6:30 PM
Good point Zen in the second paragraph
Apr 21, 2013 6:30pm
bigdaddy2003's avatar

bigdaddy2003

Senior Member

7,384 posts
Apr 22, 2013 3:25 AM
It was very nice to see Nate Diaz get beat in that manner, I was hoping for a more exciting fight between Cormier/Mir but Cormier played it smart, and I haven't watched the main event yet so I can't comment.
Apr 22, 2013 3:25am
G

Gblock

Apr 22, 2013 11:03 AM
i thought it was very close but to get the belt i always feel you have to "beat" the champ. i had the fight a draw or for henderson. i think the computer showed as much with strike counts. that being said maybe he could have done better if he wasnt trying to keep his hair out of his eyes the whole fight. if i was in his corner i would have cut the bangs at least between rounds wth...
Apr 22, 2013 11:03am
S

sportchampps

Senior Member

7,361 posts
Apr 22, 2013 1:56 PM
His hair is always like that and yes it's dumb
Apr 22, 2013 1:56pm