The_Crosby_Show;1239988 wrote:Shogun
Machida
Varner
Swick
That's what I have as well.The_Crosby_Show;1239988 wrote:Shogun
Machida
Varner
Swick
Honestly I was more impressed with Varner in the loss. Took the fight on short notice and took it to Lauzon I know its a loss but that shouldnt knock Varner down too far if at all.I Wear Pants;1240299 wrote:Lauzon was impressive with that sub.
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How does he not deserve it? He's by far the guy with the best shot at Jones in the division and he looked disgustingly good tonight.The_Crosby_Show;1240315 wrote:Machida doesn't deserve it. He just fucking lost to Jones.
He lost to him in his last fight. Rashad did better against Jones than Machida did and he's far from another shot. With how Bader fought, anyone could have KO'd him.I Wear Pants;1240320 wrote:How does he not deserve it? He's by far the guy with the best shot at Jones in the division and he looked disgustingly good tonight.
No, they couldn't have. Machida used perfect footwork and movement to make Bader look terrible. He isn't.The_Crosby_Show;1240323 wrote:He lost to him in his last fight. Rashad did better against Jones than Machida did and he's far from another shot. With how Bader fought, anyone could have KO'd him.
We'll have to disagree here. Varner looked excellent which is why Lauzon methodically picking him apart and then getting the submission is so impressive to me.gerb131;1240318 wrote:Honestly I was more impressed with Varner in the loss. Took the fight on short notice and took it to Lauzon I know its a loss but that shouldnt knock Varner down too far if at all.
I agree, I have been watching MMA for a LONG time and get every PPV, watch the Showtime events, watch Bellator, etc and I don't think I have ever seen a KO on the way down like that.Raw Dawgin' it;1240862 wrote:The Swick KO was great, Dean was a little late stopping him though. If Varner didn't get caught i think he would've won but Lauzon has a nasty ground. Not surprised that Lyoto won and if i never see Shogun fight again it wouldn't bother me. He's completely overrated in my book.
He can't cut to 185. Look at his legs, they're huge.Raw Dawgin' it;1240900 wrote:Shogun isn't old - but like Rob said, his body has been through the gauntlet. I'd rather see Rua in cool fights, like against Rampage, Hendro rematch, etc, than against top guys fighting for the belt.
Also - Rua is pudgy, does anyone think he'd ever consider a cut to 185 or could he not handle it? He gasses enough as is so i'd assume he'd be done pretty fast w/ a weight cut.
He's a thick guy, just look at his legs.Raw Dawgin' it;1240900 wrote:Shogun isn't old - but like Rob said, his body has been through the gauntlet. I'd rather see Rua in cool fights, like against Rampage, Hendro rematch, etc, than against top guys fighting for the belt.
Also - Rua is pudgy, does anyone think he'd ever consider a cut to 185 or could he not handle it? He gasses enough as is so i'd assume he'd be done pretty fast w/ a weight cut.
Probably true - I'm tired of seeing him fight guys like coleman, liddell, griffin, rua. He's only fought 2 contenders in the UFC. I'm tired of hearing how awesome he is when he has 1 win over a top guy. Hell, for 2 of his wins he needed rematches to beat them. Just not a shogun fan i guess.The_Crosby_Show;1241015 wrote:He's a thick guy, just look at his legs.
For one of them he needed a rematch. The first Machida fight was the definition of a robbery.Raw Dawgin' it;1241048 wrote:Probably true - I'm tired of seeing him fight guys like coleman, liddell, griffin, rua. He's only fought 2 contenders in the UFC. I'm tired of hearing how awesome he is when he has 1 win over a top guy. Hell, for 2 of his wins he needed rematches to beat them. Just not a shogun fan i guess.
glass jawed chuck, forrest, and vera are top guys? Also, he fought forrest twice since he choked the first time.I Wear Pants;1241058 wrote:For one of them he needed a rematch. The first Machida fight was the definition of a robbery.
And other than Coleman everyone he's fought has been a top guy.
When they fought they still were. Except for Vera.Raw Dawgin' it;1241065 wrote:glass jawed chuck, forrest, and vera are top guys? Also, he fought forrest twice since he choked the first time.
coleman never was, Liddell was 1-3 in his last 4 when he lost to Rua, Forrest (the second time, you thought he was a top guy?) and Vera. C'mon, dude has had a cake walk to the belt.I Wear Pants;1241082 wrote:When they fought they still were. Except for Vera.
