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Dec 12, 2011 3:18 PM
Pick6;1012418 wrote:Pretty sure that ball was late because McCoy had to side step the rush.
Watch the video again. If he releases the ball when his right foot hits the 50 yard line there's no defender near him. McCoy doesn't anticipate Norwood and throw a pass to lead him like a good QB would.
Dec 12, 2011 3:18pm
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Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM
derek bomar;1012390 wrote:
you missed my point - which is that even someone who sucks can look good if you surround them with some people that are half-way decent. We don't even know if McCoy legitimately sucks, or if it is the offense. Why don't we try and find out? McCoy hasn't looked good, but no one can definitively say what he would look like if we weren't the fucking Browns. This coaching staff and the talent is awful, but I feel he's getting too much of the blame.
You missed my point. I was saying that Dumbass came in and had a good stretch of games, then came back to earth and sucked, regardless of talent around him. He had a combination of luck, with Edward Sissorhands playing the best he has ever played, and the NFL not having a book on him. Once the league caught up with him, he was terrible and has been terrible ever since.
Dec 12, 2011 3:28pm
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Dec 12, 2011 3:28 PM
I have to SMH at Browns fans who get so impatient about players like McCoy and pass judgment based on very little credible evidence.

It's this impatience that has helped create this mess we're in. It's a perpetual cycle of changing coaches, changing quarterbacks, changing general managers and while that's all going on...the losing continues.

Do I know that McCoy is the right guy for the job? Nope. Don't know at all.

I DO know that (1) this OL is the worst I've seen in years and (2) this WR corps is the worst the Browns have had since the return. I also know we don't have a running game that's worth crap because either the backs are hurt or the line is awful or both.

So we have a QB who has (1) no line (2) no good receivers and (3) inconsistent/hurt running backs. Yet the QB is the reason this offense sucks.

Oh and I haven't even started to factor in a first year head coach who is calling his own plays and appears not to have a clue how to do either (be a head coach or call plays, but definitely not at the same time).

But those of you rushing to judgment are probably going to get your way. A change will be made, and the same problems will likely continue to exist for one reason or another (bad line, no receivers, hurt backs and/or young, inconsistent coaching).

Rinse.

Repeat.
Dec 12, 2011 3:28pm
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Dec 12, 2011 3:39 PM
Writerbuckeye;1012437 wrote:But those of you rushing to judgment are probably going to get your way. A change will be made, and the same problems will likely continue to exist for one reason or another (bad line, no receivers, hurt backs and/or young, inconsistent coaching).

Rinse.

Repeat.
Won't really comment on the coaching but do you REALLY think, regardless of whether they draft a new QB or not, that Heckert is going to neglect areas of need? First draft needed DB's....he goes out and gets Haden, Ward and Sheldon Brown. Second draft needs D-Line for the new 4-3.....goes out and gets Taylor & Sheard.

The ONLY reason we are seeing the craptastic WR's like MoMass, (previously Robiskie) & Cribbs along with young guards Lauvao & Pinkston are to evaluate them and move forward. You know this. Steinbach's injury coupled with the retirement of Yates killed this O-Line. By the time Heckert hit the free agents, essentially what was left was the scrap heap.

I have faith that Heckert knows what he's doing and will get what this team needs, whether McCoy is under center or not.
Dec 12, 2011 3:39pm
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Dec 12, 2011 3:50 PM
Back to the original topic, the Browns will not draft RGIII. The reason the Browns will not draft RGIII is because it's a move that actually makes sense and would actually give the Browns a competent quarterback, with elite physical and mental tools, who could actually lead this team to the Super Bowl.

RGIII will be the best NFL QB in this class. Feel free to laugh at me now, just be ready to come eat crow when he is. The guy can make throws McCoy can't make in Madden and his speed/ability to avoid the pass rush would add a new dimension to the Browns offense and cover up some of the flaws of this piss poor offensive line.

No the Browns will continue to act like the Browns, which means they will not draft RGIII.
Dec 12, 2011 3:50pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:03 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;1012455 wrote:Back to the original topic, the Browns will not draft RGIII. The reason the Browns will not draft RGIII is because it's a move that actually makes sense and would actually give the Browns a competent quarterback, with elite physical and mental tools, who could actually lead this team to the Super Bowl.

RGIII will be the best NFL QB in this class. Feel free to laugh at me now, just be ready to come eat crow when he is. The guy can make throws McCoy can't make in Madden and his speed/ability to avoid the pass rush would add a new dimension to the Browns offense and cover up some of the flaws of this piss poor offensive line.

No the Browns will continue to act like the Browns, which means they will not draft RGIII.
Eh, your snark aside, the Browns likely won't draft Griffin because HE WON'T BE THERE WHEN THEY DRAFT and they have too many other holes to fill to mortgage a bunch of draft choices now and in the future to take one player.

Oh and I agree that he's the best QB in this class and will have the most success. I also think because this will become obvious during workouts, etc., that he may well go ahead of Luck in the draft.
Dec 12, 2011 4:03pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:18 PM
Luck is a lock for the #1 pick...100%

RGIII will be the 3rd QB taken, maybe even 4th if Landry Jones jumps ahead of him
Dec 12, 2011 4:18pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:21 PM
Writerbuckeye;1012437 wrote:I DO know that (1) this OL is the worst I've seen in years and (2) this WR corps is the worst the Browns have had since the return. I also know we don't have a running game that's worth crap because either the backs are hurt or the line is awful or both.

So we have a QB who has (1) no line (2) no good receivers and (3) inconsistent/hurt running backs. Yet the QB is the reason this offense sucks.
This is the mindset I can't understand.

We can definitively say that the O-line and the receivers suck, because we've seen them suck. We've seen the QB suck, but we can't definitively say he sucks?

If you can make the judgment on other positions, you can make it on the quarterback too. A good quarterback makes the players around him better. You know what a good way to adjust to having no time to throw is? Make a hot read. You know what a good way to help receivers out is? Throw the ball downfield once in awhile so defenders can't smother the wideouts right at the line of scrimmage knowing that you won't throw deep.

For the record, I agree that the talent around McCoy sucks. But he's not doing anything to make them better. He doesn't do anything to put anyone in a better position to succeed. The offense can suck for more than 1 reason. Just because Colt isn't the only thing that sucks about the offense doesn't mean he isn't one of those things. If we can judge everyone else on the offense, we can judge him too.
Dec 12, 2011 4:21pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:33 PM
I don't care how good the QB is: if you don't have time to pass and your receivers aren't getting open, you are going to look like crap. I believe that is why McCoy has REGRESSED this year from what we saw last year when the line was more stable, there was a running game, and a couple competent receivers.

I've watched too many games this year where I've counted at the snap and just as I've gotten to "one thousand two" the middle of the line is pushing back into McCoy, killing the passing lanes, or he's being pressured from one side or the other.

I repeat: I don't know if McCoy is the guy; but I do know you can't realistically evaluate someone given how bad everything is around him. And I'm not even throwing in the fact that it's a brand new system the players had zero time to implement before the season began.
Dec 12, 2011 4:33pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:34 PM
Mulva;1012513 wrote:This is the mindset I can't understand.

We can definitively say that the O-line and the receivers suck, because we've seen them suck. We've seen the QB suck, but we can't definitively say he sucks?

If you can make the judgment on other positions, you can make it on the quarterback too. A good quarterback makes the players around him better. You know what a good way to adjust to having no time to throw is? Make a hot read. You know what a good way to help receivers out is? Throw the ball downfield once in awhile so defenders can't smother the wideouts right at the line of scrimmage knowing that you won't throw deep.

For the record, I agree that the talent around McCoy sucks. But he's not doing anything to make them better. He doesn't do anything to put anyone in a better position to succeed. The offense can suck for more than 1 reason. Just because Colt isn't the only thing that sucks about the offense doesn't mean he isn't one of those things. If we can judge everyone else on the offense, we can judge him too.

Bingo

I say we stick with McCoy unless we could get luck Barkley or rgIII. They are players who make people around them better. McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick for a reason
Dec 12, 2011 4:34pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:39 PM
Crimson streak;1012531 wrote:Bingo

I say we stick with McCoy unless we could get luck Barkley or rgIII. They are players who make people around them better. McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick for a reason
I can agree that Griffin has made his players around him better, because I mean he plays for Baylor. But how can you for sure say that Barkley does? He plays on a team with top recruits, and they didnt go undefeated or anything too special this season.
Dec 12, 2011 4:39pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:43 PM
Pick6;1012541 wrote:I can agree that Griffin has made his players around him better, because I mean he plays for Baylor. But how can you for sure say that Barkley does? He plays on a team with top recruits, and they didnt go undefeated or anything too special this season.

Bc Barkley is very accurate and can make almost all the throws. He has a very good ball placement. That is how he makes his teammates better bc he puts the ball where the receiver is going to make the play. McCoy doesn't, he under throws a lot of balls. And is behind the receiver a lot or high or low. And he can't make all the throws he has a weak arm
Dec 12, 2011 4:43pm
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Dec 12, 2011 4:44 PM
By the way, if by some miracle Griffin falls to the Browns, I do hope they draft him. Worst case scenario, one of them develops and one is a capable backup...or if both develop, you do like San Diego did and pick one to trade -- hopefully the right one.
Dec 12, 2011 4:44pm
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Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM
Mulva;1012513 wrote:This is the mindset I can't understand.

We can definitively say that the O-line and the receivers suck, because we've seen them suck. We've seen the QB suck, but we can't definitively say he sucks?

If you can make the judgment on other positions, you can make it on the quarterback too. A good quarterback makes the players around him better. You know what a good way to adjust to having no time to throw is? Make a hot read. You know what a good way to help receivers out is? Throw the ball downfield once in awhile so defenders can't smother the wideouts right at the line of scrimmage knowing that you won't throw deep.

For the record, I agree that the talent around McCoy sucks. But he's not doing anything to make them better. He doesn't do anything to put anyone in a better position to succeed. The offense can suck for more than 1 reason. Just because Colt isn't the only thing that sucks about the offense doesn't mean he isn't one of those things. If we can judge everyone else on the offense, we can judge him too.
Well said.

This offense isn't laden with talent but when McCoy HAS had opportunities he hasn't made the most of them. His receivers suck but they DO get open at times and his throwing the ball .5 to 1 second too slow, behind them, too low, etc is doing them no favors. He's not the sole blame but he sucks just as much as everyone else.
Dec 12, 2011 6:00pm
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Dec 12, 2011 9:40 PM
RGIII might as well start washing cars now. Browns will ruin his career like they did every other QB in the last decade+.
Dec 12, 2011 9:40pm
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Dec 13, 2011 6:48 AM
dwccrew;1012880 wrote:RGIII might as well start washing cars now. Browns will ruin his career like they did every other QB in the last decade+.

What qbs have the browns ruined? Tim couch is the best your going to get. They don't ruin qb's they just can't get a good one
Dec 13, 2011 6:48am
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Dec 13, 2011 7:09 AM
Crimson streak;1013233 wrote:What qbs have the browns ruined? Tim couch is the best your going to get. They don't ruin qb's they just can't get a good one
The problem is they draft the best QB on the board and throw him in the fire, expecting him to be the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers.

Newsflash: Brady and Rodgers were groomed to be good QBs. How many years did Rodgers sit behind Favre, learning the game? Brady wasn't a rookie sensation.

Stick with McCoy, build the rest of the team, and let McCoy develop.
Dec 13, 2011 7:09am
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Dec 13, 2011 7:43 AM
How many here HONESTLY, and I do mean be honest, think that Colt McCoy can lead this team to a Super Bowl?

Looking back over the past 10 years, every team that has won a championship has had an elite or close to elite, in the case of Eli Manning, QB except for Tampa Bay with Johnson.The days of Trent Dilfer and a team winning with a lockdown defense are pretty much over. It's an offense driven league.
Dec 13, 2011 7:43am
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Dec 13, 2011 7:45 AM
Crimson streak;1013233 wrote:What qbs have the browns ruined? Tim couch is the best your going to get. They don't ruin qb's they just can't get a good one
Exactly. I'm not a fan of the revolving door/lack of stability but they have to keep looking until they find the guy. Just like Holmgren wasting a year by keeping Mangini around, why waste another year with a mediocre QB that might get you to .500?
Dec 13, 2011 7:45am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:00 AM
BR1986FB;1013252 wrote:How many here HONESTLY, and I do mean be honest, think that Colt McCoy can lead this team to a Super Bowl?

Looking back over the past 10 years, every team that has won a championship has had an elite or close to elite, in the case of Eli Manning, QB except for Tampa Bay with Johnson.The days of Trent Dilfer and a team winning with a lockdown defense are pretty much over. It's an offense driven league.
Here's the daily BR bash McCoy post lol
Dec 13, 2011 9:00am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:01 AM
BR1986FB;1013252 wrote:How many here HONESTLY, and I do mean be honest, think that Colt McCoy can lead this team to a Super Bowl?

Looking back over the past 10 years, every team that has won a championship has had an elite or close to elite, in the case of Eli Manning, QB except for Tampa Bay with Johnson.The days of Trent Dilfer and a team winning with a lockdown defense are pretty much over. It's an offense driven league.
I dont disagree with you, but those Yinzers first Super Bowl with TheRapist they won despite their QB. Now he has developed since then, but it can be done w/ a crappy QB if you have the best defense in the league.
Dec 13, 2011 9:01am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:04 AM
Wooball;1013303 wrote:I dont disagree with you, but those Yinzers first Super Bowl with TheRapist they won despite their QB. Now he has developed since then, but it can be done w/ a crappy QB if you have the best defense in the league.
That is the exception, not the norm these days.
Dec 13, 2011 9:04am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:05 AM
SportsAndLady;1013302 wrote:Here's the daily BR bash McCoy post lol
And here's S&L's daily "dancing around the question making a funny." Answer the question! Do you HONESTLY think McCoy can lead this team to a Super Bowl?
Dec 13, 2011 9:05am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:05 AM
Rookies or 2nd year guys rarely win Super Bowls either.
Dec 13, 2011 9:05am
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Dec 13, 2011 9:12 AM
WebFire;1013312 wrote:Rookies or 2nd year guys rarely win Super Bowls either.
Do you THINK he CAN eventually win a Super Bowl with his current skillset (weak arm, can't see over the line, etc)?
Dec 13, 2011 9:12am