Sugar Bowl: #13 Michigan def. #11 Virginia Tech, 23-20 (OT)

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Jan 4, 2012 8:29 PM
Automatik;1039025 wrote:Looks secure and across the goal line to me.

It was a close call, but it was blown.
Ya, your snapshot of a moment in time proves it. :rolleyes: I know you know better.
Jan 4, 2012 8:29pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:44 PM
Webbie come on man. I am very happy for your Wolverines. They won a BCS game and look to be back. But you and I both know that was a catch. Oh well they ruled it incomplete and Michigan took advantage and are Sugar Bowl Champs.
Jan 4, 2012 8:44pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:48 PM
WebFire;1039123 wrote:Yes it was.
No, it wasn't.



















Yes, I do see how this works.
Jan 4, 2012 8:48pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:49 PM
Coach_08;1039047 wrote:We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but in the end all that matters in the final score. I laugh at how OSU fans step in and smack talk when they got the biggest call ever in the national championship game against Miami. The interference call was a joke and I am glade the last 2 times they played for a NC after that they got their butts kicked, irony?
We're all glad that you're glade :rolleyes:
Jan 4, 2012 8:49pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:53 PM
vball10set;1039144 wrote:No, it wasn't.
Yes it was.

Jan 4, 2012 8:53pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:54 PM
WebFire;1039129 wrote:Ya, your snapshot of a moment in time proves it. :rolleyes: I know you know better.
Actually it does. Ball secure, across the goal line, off the ground, elbow down.

We can agree to disagree. As a UM fan I don't expect you to admit it was the wrong call anyway.

fwiw I'm on another forum and there are several UM fans saying it was a bad call.
Jan 4, 2012 8:54pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:55 PM
Hand under ball. Completes catch as he rolls. No, it wasn't. Webbie, how about we take a poll?
Jan 4, 2012 8:55pm
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Jan 4, 2012 8:56 PM
Automatik;1039153 wrote:Actually it does. Ball secure, across the goal line, off the ground, elbow down.

We can agree to disagree. As a UM fan I don't expect to admit it was the wrong call anyway.

fwiw I'm on another forum and there are several UM fans saying it was a bad call.
Wow, actual tsun fans who GET IT :thumbup:
Jan 4, 2012 8:56pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:05 PM
Well, you guys keep on believing. I'll go with the correct call that the officials made. Michigan wins. Good day.

FWIW, I've not seen where any UM fans think it was a catch. About 100% OSU fans think it was. Everyone else seems about 50/50.
Jan 4, 2012 9:05pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:06 PM
Automatik;1039153 wrote:Actually it does. Ball secure, across the goal line, off the ground, elbow down.

We can agree to disagree. As a UM fan I don't expect you to admit it was the wrong call anyway.

fwiw I'm on another forum and there are several UM fans saying it was a bad call.
I know it's hard to comprehend, but a still shot doesn't show motion. Who knew?! So you cannot judge a catch with a still shot.

Keep the faith man. Maybe Michigan will lose the game.
Jan 4, 2012 9:06pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:09 PM
How many times have we seen in the last few years where a receiver has to complete the catch the entire way through? or however you want to word it.

I know it's the NFL, but remember Calvin Johnson last year vs. the Bears? The continuation thing is getting drilled. Yea, he had the ball with his elbow down, but the nose hit the ground and moved the ball after the fact. He didn't have continuation or w/e you want to say. Like I said before, there were 2-3/4 reviews last night regarding catches against the ground, and the officials were consistent with all of them. Isn't that what we look for with a crew for a game, consistency?
Jan 4, 2012 9:09pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:12 PM
WebFire;1039160 wrote:I know it's hard to comprehend, but a still shot doesn't show motion. Who knew?! So you cannot judge a catch with a still shot.

Keep the faith man. Maybe Michigan will lose the game.
Are you stupid? I said I was rooting for UM and I'm glad they won. Me thinking that was a bad call has nothing to do with Michigan or Ohio State.

Regarding the calls being consistent with similar plays....I didn't see them, but if they were consistent then thats a plus.
Jan 4, 2012 9:12pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:13 PM
Automatik;1039170 wrote:Are you stupid? I said I was rooting for UM and I'm glad they won. Me thinking that was a bad call has nothing to do with Michigan or Ohio State.
Ok. Thanks.
Jan 4, 2012 9:13pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:18 PM
OT overturned catch: Not only does the ball move when the nose of it touches the ground, the receivers shoulder touches out of bounds prior to possesion being secured.
Jan 4, 2012 9:18pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:20 PM
Coach_08;1039047 wrote:We can talk about this until we are blue in the face, but in the end all that matters in the final score. I laugh at how OSU fans step in and smack talk when they got the biggest call ever in the national championship game against Miami. The interference call was a joke and I am glade the last 2 times they played for a NC after that they got their butts kicked, irony?
I enjoy the fact that idiot is not a banned word on this site.
Jan 4, 2012 9:20pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:22 PM
ksig489;1038477 wrote:If you watch it...none were more than 3 yards past the LOS until the ball was tipped. Perfectly legal.
Reps for knowing expanded neutral zone.
Jan 4, 2012 9:22pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:32 PM
A kicker is not exempt from simulating a snap (false start) and can not move forward in motion prior to the snap (illegal motion, live ball foul).
Jan 4, 2012 9:32pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:34 PM
Sonofanump;1039181 wrote:Reps for knowing expanded neutral zone.
Anything to add about the false starts no calls?


Edit...posted at the same time.
Jan 4, 2012 9:34pm
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Jan 4, 2012 9:59 PM
wildcats20;1039195 wrote:Anything to add about the false starts no calls?


Edit...posted at the same time.
I'm 100% puzzled by this myself. Obviously, I'm ok with them not being called :cool:, but why weren't they? I honestly don't know what was going through the officials heads. Were the not looking at the PK?
Jan 4, 2012 9:59pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM
bigkahuna;1039223 wrote:I'm 100% puzzled by this myself. Obviously, I'm ok with them not being called :cool:, but why weren't they? I honestly don't know what was going through the officials heads. Were the not looking at the PK?
Same here. And I wonder why people don't argue as much about this than the catch. These were obvious and should have been called, and were 2 big plays.
Jan 4, 2012 10:17pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:18 PM
WebFire;1039267 wrote:Same here. And I wonder why people don't argue as much about this than the catch. These were obvious and should have been called, and were 2 big plays.
Because they didn't have an "impact" on the game. Although they really could have.

Who knows what happens on the game winner if it's back another 5 yards. Shaky kicker, Tech's special teams, who knows?
Jan 4, 2012 10:18pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM
Kickers are moving all the time prior to the snap, watch the Clemson kicker buckle his knee and wave his hands prior to his attempts. The West Virginia kicker leans just before the snap. Now taking a studder step is different that most pre snap motions that kickers take, but leeway is given to them.
Jan 4, 2012 10:24pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:35 PM
ksig489;1038477 wrote:If you watch it...none were more than 3 yards past the LOS until the ball was tipped. Perfectly legal.

Wrong. If you go back and watch it the lineman who catches the football was on the 15 yard line when the ball was tipped. Like I said I am happy Michigan won but that was a bad no call.
Jan 4, 2012 10:35pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM
Sonofanump;1039284 wrote:Kickers are moving all the time prior to the snap, watch the Clemson kicker buckle his knee and wave his hands prior to his attempts. The West Virginia kicker leans just before the snap. Now taking a studder step is different that most pre snap motions that kickers take, but leeway is given to them.
That's kind of weak. Either it is or it isn't.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/college-football/Highlights-Giorgio-Tavecchios-Penalty-vs-Oregon-885412
Jan 4, 2012 10:37pm
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Jan 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Tiger2003;1039310 wrote:Wrong. If you go back and watch it the lineman who catches the football was on the 15 yard line when the ball was tipped. Like I said I am happy Michigan won but that was a bad no call.
I watched earlier today and it did look like he was more like 5 yards past the LOS when the ball was tipped. So it could have been called.
Jan 4, 2012 10:38pm