I meant in general, not on the OC.Fly4Fun;1005491 wrote:Laley is the only colts fan I know of.
I think I've heard him already on Mike and Mike just saying that Peyton is a big boy and understands it's a business. Sounds alright to me.OSH;1005501 wrote:I can't stand the guy.
While I wish this were true...I won't think for a minute that Archie won't butt-in any moment that he can.
While still a small sample, most of my friends in Indy (like 8/10 on average) want them to take Luck even if it means Peyton is out. They see how lucky the Colts are in being able to go from Manning to Luck and have close to 30 years of solidity in the QB position. The next generation isnt worth Peytons last 2-4 good years.Sonofanump;1005473 wrote:I'd like to know what the Colts fans think if the choice is either / or.
You can also read the above link where he's made comments too.Fly4Fun;1005512 wrote:I think I've heard him already on Mike and Mike just saying that Peyton is a big boy and understands it's a business. Sounds alright to me.
Archie has never been one to shut his yapper. I am just saying, I can see him continuing that yapping. I am not saying that he will, I just wouldn't be surprised if he did.“I don’t think it’d necessarily be great for either one,” Archie Manning told FOX Sports Radio’s Zakk & Jack Show on Tuesday. “I think Andrew’s the type of mature player . . . he can walk right in. I mean, these other three or four guys that are playing this year, [if] they can walk in and contribute, Andrew can, too. . . .
“We know Andrew well. He comes down to our camp every year. I used to play with his dad [Oliver]. . . . I’m in New York, I heard from him last night. Peyton’s also tried to help Andrew and kind of be a friend. I doubt if either one want to play on the same team.”
Don't you think Luck should play a season (or at least take a snap) before you declare him a solid qb for 15 years. There have been plenty of #1 drafted qbs who haven't lived up to their potential for various reasons.Laley23;1005543 wrote:While still a small sample, most of my friends in Indy (like 8/10 on average) want them to take Luck even if it means Peyton is out. They see how lucky the Colts are in being able to go from Manning to Luck and have close to 30 years of solidity in the QB position. The next generation isnt worth Peytons last 2-4 good years.
Ok, in theory for 15 years. Reward FAR outweighs the risk.Al Bundy;1005941 wrote:Don't you think Luck should play a season (or at least take a snap) before you declare him a solid qb for 15 years. There have been plenty of #1 drafted qbs who haven't lived up to their potential for various reasons.
I don't know about that. It's a crapshoot. There are as many #1 picks that don't make it as make it. The list of #1 picks that played 15 years with the team that drafted them is very short.Laley23;1005953 wrote:Ok, in theory for 15 years. Reward FAR outweighs the risk.
They will get that for Manning also. Not quite as much. But they will get AT LEAST a #1. Possibly 2. Id also easily trade 15 years of Eli for 3 of Peyton. His best days are done. Stafford and Bradford are up in the air, but I wouldnt rule them out.2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
JaMarcus Russell
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
David Carr
I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
Thats all Im trying to say. There is always risk. Heck, there might be MORE risk in trusting Peyton to be 100% for the next 3-4 years than drafting Luck. What has the bigger reward. I think it is obvious that taking Luck and possibly having him for 10-15 years is more of a reward than Peyton for 3-4 on the downside of a career when the risks are similar.Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
Why do you think that is?Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.2kool4skool;1006783 wrote:Why do you think that is?
I've seen nothing from Luck that differentiates him substantially from other "consensus #1's" at quarterback.
I'll just say I disagree and that he, IMO, won;t even be the best QB in this class.Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
Who cares, he'll run the plays his offensive coordinator calls in the pros anyway.Mulva;1006794 wrote:He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.
Over-exaggerated. He recently talked with Steve Young and mentioned that he has 3 formations with 3 plays each to audible into.Mulva;1006794 wrote:He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.
Maybe other then Eli, Luck is the most groomed QB coming out of college out on this list.2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
JaMarcus Russell
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
David Carr
I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
NFL.com - The concept of trading quarterback Peyton Manning would be a costly one for the Colts. Wasn't Cam Newton a #1 overall pick?2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
JaMarcus Russell
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
David Carr
I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
That gives you pretty much all the options you need. There's only so many audible options at any one time, due to the personnel on the field. He has 5 run plays and 4 pass plays or vice versa. Fact of the matter is, he almost always has his team running a successful play. I've always contended that intelligence is a bigger factor than physical ability when it comes to being a successful NFL QB, and Luck has a great mix of those qualities.hoops23;1006804 wrote:Over-exaggerated. He recently talked with Steve Young and mentioned that he has 3 formations with 3 plays each to audible into.
It's not like he has the complete freedom to call every single play his team runs.
Yeah, forgot about him. But a good example of how badly people can be off, especially about quarterbacks. I remember the consensus among most experts/fans(myself included) was that he was a terrible reach at #1 and wasn't an NFL type QB at all.BR1986FB;1006952 wrote:Wasn't Cam Newton a #1 overall pick?