sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2011 1:42pm
I bet we could find other CBs that have similar statistics. Those don't impress me.lhslep134;1000593 wrote:He has 6 forced fumbles, 5 fumble recoveries, 2 defensive touchdowns, 16 pass breakup/deflections, and leads the team in tackles.
Yup, just a kick returner. Get out of here with your laughable ignorance.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 1:43pm
Link?sleeper;1000596 wrote:I bet we could find other CBs that have similar statistics. Those don't impress me.
BigAppleBuckeye
Posts: 2,935
Dec 4, 2011 1:44pm
Ball is having a GREAT year, and I think he deserves some mention. But in reality, this is the worst B1G conference from top to bottom I have seen in years, and the voters know that.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 4, 2011 1:46pm
David amerson from nc st. 11 picks 1 td
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2011 1:47pm
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501149/david-amersonlhslep134;1000598 wrote:Link?
A quick google. 11 INTs. TM7 isn't even a top 5 corner in college football. And this guy has more tackles.
TM7 is a fraud and a product of the CBS SEC machine that gets stuffed down our throats on a daily basis.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2011 1:51pm
Only 146 CB's in the NCAA had more INT's than TM7. Let's be honest, when it comes to CB's thats the stat that matters, not fumble recoveries...lol. Woodson had 8 the year he won the Heisman.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2011 1:53pm
And a lot more have more tackles. TM7 just blitzes a lot and plays with a line that is one of the best in the SEC against SEC offensive lines. I'll stand by my comment I made months ago that TM7 wouldn't even start in the B1G.se-alum;1000618 wrote:Only 146 CB's in the NCAA had more INT's than TM7. Let's be honest, when it comes to CB's thats the stat that matters, not fumble recoveries...lol. Woodson had 8 the year he won the Heisman.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 2:05pm
Really? Because Nnamdi Asomugha only has 6 INTs in the past 5 seasons combined.se-alum;1000618 wrote:Let's be honest, when it comes to CB's thats the stat that matters.
Again, more ignorance from you.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 4, 2011 2:13pm
Who would you rather throw at clayborn or matheu? I would rather throw at matheu
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2011 2:14pm
But how many fumble recoveries does he have?? That's the moneymaker right there!!lhslep134;1000650 wrote:Really? Because Nnamdi Asomugha only has 6 INTs in the past 5 seasons combined.
Again, more ignorance from you.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 2:15pm
se-alum;1000662 wrote:But how many fumble recoveries does he have?? That's the moneymaker right there!!
I used fumbles to show he's not just a punt returner.
Honestly, do you watch football? Do you realize there's more to playing the position than just INTs? Because your posts on the matter suggest you don't.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Dec 4, 2011 2:16pm
Wisconsin might want to play a decent program and/or a road game the first month of the year if they want the country to notice someone on their team.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 4, 2011 2:20pm
Right, because this criteria applies every year. Mantee Ball is 10x the RB Richardson is, and is having a season that only Barry Sanders could out do. He deserves the Heisman, and it'll be another fraud if Richardson puts up less impressive stats against similar competition.dave;1000668 wrote:Wisconsin might want to play a decent program and/or a road game the first month of the year if they want the country to notice someone on their team.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2011 2:29pm
You sure are a testy little fella today. I never realized you were one that couldn't argue a point without resorting to name calling. I would think someone supposedly in law school, could argue a point like an adult.lhslep134;1000667 wrote:I used fumbles to show he's not just a punt returner.
Honestly, how dumb are you?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 2:48pm
Read the edited post there chief. I didn't realize that someone could be so ignorant about a football position.se-alum;1000709 wrote:You sure are a testy little fella today. I never realized you were one that couldn't argue a point without resorting to name calling. I would think someone supposedly in law school, could argue a point like an adult.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2011 2:58pm
OK, so you're saying, if Mathieu had 0 punt returns, he would be in the Heisman conversation?lhslep134;1000758 wrote:Read the edited post there chief. I didn't realize that someone could be so ignorant about a football position.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Dec 4, 2011 3:05pm
What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you should start one of those cool "player A vs player B" threads that ccrunner is so good at. You know, leave out half of the stats. Mathieu might not be the best corner, or the best punt returner, or the best tackler, or the best whatever, but when you add up everything and look at the impact he has had in some pretty big games, he is right in the discussion as one of the best players in the country.se-alum;1000780 wrote:OK, so you're saying, if Mathieu had 0 punt returns, he would be in the Heisman conversation?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 4, 2011 3:07pm
karen lotz;1000793 wrote:What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you should start one of those cool "player A vs player B" threads that ccrunner is so good at. You know, leave out half of the stats. Mathieu might not be the best corner, or the best punt returner, or the best tackler, or the best whatever, but when you add up everything and look at the impact he has had in some pretty big games, he is right in the discussion as one of the best players in the country.
Agreed
athlete37
Posts: 992
Dec 4, 2011 3:08pm
If that's so, explain how Troy Smith won it throwing for 2500 yards and 30 TDs...Skyhook79;1000331 wrote:The Heisman is a individual award not a team award.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 3:16pm
I'm saying you're ignorant and have no idea what you're talking about. Karen addressed exactly what I'm talking about.se-alum;1000780 wrote:OK, so you're saying, if Mathieu had 0 punt returns, he would be in the Heisman conversation?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 4, 2011 3:16pm
Nicely put.karen lotz;1000793 wrote:What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you should start one of those cool "player A vs player B" threads that ccrunner is so good at. You know, leave out half of the stats. Mathieu might not be the best corner, or the best punt returner, or the best tackler, or the best whatever, but when you add up everything and look at the impact he has had in some pretty big games, he is right in the discussion as one of the best players in the country.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Dec 4, 2011 3:17pm
My original argument was, they are not going to give the Heisman to someone who is mostly known as a great return man. There's no doubt Mathieu is a hell of a football player, but he's not going to win the Heisman, and most likely won't get many votes.karen lotz;1000793 wrote:What the hell are you talking about? Maybe you should start one of those cool "player A vs player B" threads that ccrunner is so good at. You know, leave out half of the stats. Mathieu might not be the best corner, or the best punt returner, or the best tackler, or the best whatever, but when you add up everything and look at the impact he has had in some pretty big games, he is right in the discussion as one of the best players in the country.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 4, 2011 3:36pm
Lhslep cannot post something without saying the words (or any of their derivatives):
Ignorant
Objective
Subjective
Seriously shut the fuck up law school ***
Ignorant
Objective
Subjective
Seriously shut the fuck up law school ***
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 4, 2011 3:38pm
SportsAndLady;1000865 wrote:Lhslep cannot post something without saying the words (or any of their derivatives):
Ignorant
Objective
Subjective
Seriously shut the **** up law school ***
He's Automatic knows more than everyone cause he's in law school lol what a douche
-Society-
Posts: 1,348
Dec 4, 2011 3:49pm
Yeah, lhslep continues to prove the douchebag that he is. Putting in serious competition against bitch karen.