Its a catch 22. Would they have made pro-bowls with Manning? Argument can be made. Brandon Stokely had 1000 yards and 10 TDs with the Colts. His only Pro-Bowl. In 12 years thats about 1/3 of his TDs and 1/4 of his yards.Skyhook79;999571 wrote:exactly. Now tell me how many Pro Bowls they made combined. Keep in mind Troy Brown played 15 seasons for the Pats.
Well lets look at the stats.Laley23;999578 wrote:Its a catch 22. Would they have made pro-bowls with Manning? Argument can be made. Brandon Stokely had 1000 yards and 10 TDs with the Colts. His only Pro-Bowl. In 12 years thats about 1/3 of his TDs and 1/4 of his yards.
Are Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne as good with Brady? Who is to say?
Yet people who played and actually are involved in the sport say Manning is better. It isnt just about numbers. I know you realize this. Every person in sports realizes it. When numbers are that close, it goes beyond them.Skyhook79;999614 wrote:Well lets look at the stats.
Tom Brady:
Games: 156
Record: 119-35 (77%)
Comp%: 63.8
Td's: 289
Int's: 113
Ratio: 2.6 td to 1 int
Passer Rating: 96.0
Yds pg: 246.0
Playoff record: 14-4 (78%)
2 Super Bowl MVP's
3 Super Bowl wins
2 League MVP (only unaminous selection ever)
Peyton Manning:
Games: 208
Record: 141-67 (68%)
Comp %: 64.9
Td's: 399
Int's: 198
Ratio: 2 Td's to 1 Int
Passer rating: 94.9
yds pg: 263.0
Playoff record: 7-8 (47%)
1 super Bowl MVP
1 Super bowl win
4 league MVP's
Stats say Tom Brady and they certainly do not say Manning is 3 spots ahead.
wes_mantooth;999631 wrote:As for Manning....
I always knew he was great, but seeing what happened this year to the colts...I consider him maybe the best ever. He was good enough to cover up a flat out terrible defense and elevate average receivers to pro bowl status.
Skyhook79;999644 wrote:The Colts have been in suck for luck mode since week 3. This season proves nothing. The Colts weren't that good last year.
No they werent that good. Still went 10-6. Manning has managed to make the playoffs every year for how long? If he went down at any point, I dont see that team going 11-5. Which is what happened when Brady went down.Skyhook79;999644 wrote:The Colts have been in suck for luck mode since week 3. This season proves nothing. The Colts weren't that good last year.
Laley23;999700 wrote:No they werent that good. Still went 10-6. Manning has managed to make the playoffs every year for how long? If he went down at any point, I dont see that team going 11-5. Which is what happened when Brady went down.
Not that Brady is a system guy, because he isnt. But he is on a team where others can succeed, just not dominate like him. Manning is in a system that he created in his mind and no one can close to succeeding in it.
The Pats went from 16-0 with Brady to 11-5 without. A 5 game dropoff in the NFL for a team that is trying is huge.Laley23;999700 wrote:No they werent that good. Still went 10-6. Manning has managed to make the playoffs every year for how long? If he went down at any point, I dont see that team going 11-5. Which is what happened when Brady went down.
Not that Brady is a system guy, because he isnt. But he is on a team where others can succeed, just not dominate like him. Manning is in a system that he created in his mind and no one can close to succeeding in it.
Not to mention the Pats didn't make the playoffs that year either.Al Bundy;999728 wrote:The Pats went from 16-0 with Brady to 11-5 without. A 5 game dropoff in the NFL for a team that is trying is huge.
People always discount stats when they are not in their favor. The huge difference in the Playoffs makes Brady better than Manning. I didn't post playoff stats but Brady's are better too.Laley23;999620 wrote:Yet people who played and actually are involved in the sport say Manning is better. It isnt just about numbers. I know you realize this. Every person in sports realizes it. When numbers are that close, it goes beyond them.
That doesn't really have anything to do with going 11-5 and being the unluckiest team in history, while 8-8 NFC teams were making the playoffsSkyhook79;999737 wrote:Not to mention the Pats didn't make the playoffs that year either.
Your first point is irrelevant because in reality they didn't make the playoffs.rydawg5;999746 wrote:That doesn't really have anything to do with going 11-5 and being the unluckiest team in history, while 8-8 NFC teams were making the playoffs
Also, the wouldn't have repeated as a 16-0 team even with Brady healthy, so in reality, it wasn't a 5 game drop off.
The 1st point is relevant, because 11-5 is a great season and is all you need to make the playoffs 99% of the time.Skyhook79;999777 wrote:Your first point is irrelevant because in reality they didn't make the playoffs.
Your 2nd point can't be proven or dis-proven so it is irrelevent also even though the reality of it was they lost 5 more games than the previous year.
yeah, that doesn't hurt in swaying people one way or the other.Ironman92;999858 wrote:I think Manning is higher because he is more liked.
But you can prove the Colts have quit this year????Skyhook79;999777 wrote: Your 2nd point can't be proven or dis-proven so it is irrelevent also even though the reality of it was they lost 5 more games than the previous year.
Here's the difference to show that Manning is better.Skyhook79;999614 wrote:Well lets look at the stats.
Tom Brady:
Games: 156
Record: 119-35 (77%)
Comp%: 63.8
Td's: 289
Int's: 113
Ratio: 2.6 td to 1 int
Passer Rating: 96.0
Yds pg: 246.0
Playoff record: 14-4 (78%)
2 Super Bowl MVP's
3 Super Bowl wins
2 League MVP (only unaminous selection ever)
Peyton Manning:
Games: 208
Record: 141-67 (68%)
Comp %: 64.9
Td's: 399
Int's: 198
Ratio: 2 Td's to 1 Int
Passer rating: 94.9
yds pg: 263.0
Playoff record: 7-8 (47%)
1 super Bowl MVP
1 Super bowl win
4 league MVP's
Stats say Tom Brady and they certainly do not say Manning is 3 spots ahead.
Not taking sides but you DO realize that Manning plays in one of the weaker divisions in the NFL? JAX & TENN are usually "gimmes" and Houston hasn't seemed to find a way to figure it out with all of that talent. Not saying Manning isn't great but he's essentially playing in the AFC's version of the NFC West.Laley23;999700 wrote:No they werent that good. Still went 10-6. Manning has managed to make the playoffs every year for how long?
Cassel has "sucked" since? First off he went to a team that "sucked" and 2nd he was a Pro-Bowler in 2010 his 2nd year with the Chiefs and they went 10-6 throwing 27 Td's and only 7 Int's. This year he has been hurt most of the year. The reason the Pats went 11-5 with Cassel is because he is a good QB. Just because the Colts don't have a suitable back-up doesn't make Manning better.jmog;1000279 wrote:Here's the difference to show that Manning is better.
When Brady got hurt, Matt Cassel came in and the team was still dang good. Matt Cassel has sucked since.
When Manning got hurt his backup(s) come in and the team is the worst team in the NFL.
As bad as this list was it got one thing right, Manning is the smartest QB to ever play the game. Wayne, Harrison, Clark, and Stokley are not household names if anyone else is playing QB for the Colts.