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Dec 3, 2011 11:00 PM
Crimson streak;999931 wrote:5 wins vs bcs top 25 or 2 you pick
OSU barely won in some of those games while giving up a ton of points. OSU has no defense. Ranked close to 100. The B12 is highly overrated, just ask Oklahoma. Bama killed teams, didnt lose to a 6-6 team, has a good offense and defense. Defense wins titles. Oklahoma had offenses like this and got halted by LSU and UF in title games. It would be the same all over again.
Dec 3, 2011 11:00pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:01 PM
Don't you people know that when considering one-loss teams for the BCS Title Game you are only allowed to talk about their loss and not any of their wins?
Dec 3, 2011 11:01pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:01 PM
dazedconfused;999933 wrote:i understand they still should have won but they played iowa st the day of the plane crash. still they choked that game away
Are you sure it was the day of the crash. I didnt look it up, but I thought it was a couple days after.
Dec 3, 2011 11:01pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:02 PM
Crimson streak;999931 wrote:5 wins vs bcs top 25 or 2 you pick
One of those 5 is Texas, who got stomped today and is now 7-5 and will finish out of the top 25, so make it 4-2.

Another one is Missouri, who is #25. Who knows if they'll still be a "top 25" team next week. And again, they're 7-5. Let's not pretend a 7-5 Missouri team is any better of a win than a 7-5 Auburn team just because Mizzou is #25 and Auburn might be #30.

There's a case to be made for both teams.
Dec 3, 2011 11:02pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:03 PM
cats gone wild;999947 wrote:Are you sure it was the day of the crash. I didnt look it up, but I thought it was a couple days after.
Same day. Friday, November 18.
Dec 3, 2011 11:03pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:04 PM
It isn't difficult killing the likes of North Texas, Georgia Southern and Kent St. They could have at least attempted to get another BCS conference opponent in their OOC schedule other than Penn St.

Looking at their schedule, it wasn't that difficult. Sure, Alabama is a very good team, and they had a great year, but absolutely nothing in their schedule indicates that a BCS championship spot is guaranteed. If they wanted a guaranteed sport they should have beat LSU or at least made the game interesting.
Dec 3, 2011 11:04pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:04 PM
cats gone wild;999942 wrote:OSU barely won in some of those games while giving up a ton of points. OSU has no defense. Ranked close to 100. The B12 is highly overrated, just ask Oklahoma. Bama killed teams, didnt lose to a 6-6 team, has a good offense and defense. Defense wins titles. Oklahoma had offenses like this and got halted by LSU and UF in title games. It would be the same all over again.

They may give up a lot of yards but they force turn overs. I actually think Oklahoma st is a bad match up for lsu. There maybe 1 or 2 teams that could actually cause lsu problems and that's because of there offense and there defenses ability to force turnovers. Lsu hasn't faced a receiver that caliber of Blackmon or a qb like weedon. I actually think it would be an awesome game as a neutral college football fan
Dec 3, 2011 11:04pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:05 PM
Mulva;999950 wrote:One of those 5 is Texas, who got stomped today and is now 7-5 and will finish out of the top 25, so make it 4-2.

Another one is Missouri, who is #25. Who knows if they'll still be a "top 25" team next week. And again, they're 7-5. Let's not pretend a 7-5 Missouri team is any better of a win than a 7-5 Auburn team just because Mizzou is #25 and Auburn might be #30.

There's a case to be made for both teams.

Its still 7-5 top 50 if you want to make the 25 vs 30 argument
Dec 3, 2011 11:05pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:05 PM
cats gone wild;999942 wrote:OSU barely won in some of those games while giving up a ton of points. OSU has no defense. Ranked close to 100. The B12 is highly overrated, just ask Oklahoma. Bama killed teams, didnt lose to a 6-6 team, has a good offense and defense. Defense wins titles. Oklahoma had offenses like this and got halted by LSU and UF in title games. It would be the same all over again.
One of the biggest stats for a defense is also T.O

OSU leads the nation in turnovers and is #2 in T.O.M. behind LSU. So, don't they have a good defense too?
Dec 3, 2011 11:05pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:07 PM
ironman02;999921 wrote:Gary Danielson made a comment during the game today that got me thinking. He seems to think that LSU would deserve a share of the national championship, even if they lost to Alabama in a rematch. I see what he's saying in that it would be 1-1 between the two teams, but what's really the point? I think Bama is the second best team in the nation, but I'm beginning to agree with this school of thought...they had their chance to beat LSU at home and didn't do it. Give someone else a shot.

If only Bama had a shot at Iowa State.
Dec 3, 2011 11:07pm
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Crimson streak;999957 wrote:They may give up a lot of yards but they force turn overs. I actually think Oklahoma st is a bad match up lsu. There maybe 1 or 2 teams that could actually cause lsu problems and that's because of there offense and there defenses ability to force turnovers. Lsu hasn't faxed a receiver that caliber of Blackmon or a qb like weedon. I actually think it would be an awesome game as a neutral college football fan
LSU is +23 on turnovers and has the best secondary in football. OSU would have 4 ints probably. OSU wouldnt cause LSU to turn the ball over since LSU doesnt pass much. And OSU cant stop the run. LSU would wear them out and at the end they would do what they did to Ark.
Dec 3, 2011 11:07pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:08 PM
bigkahuna;999961 wrote:One of the biggest stats for a defense is also T.O

OSU leads the nation in turnovers and is #2 in T.O.M. behind LSU. So, don't they have a good defense too?
Read my above post. And OSU gets turnovers because they play in the pass happy B12.
Dec 3, 2011 11:08pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:11 PM
cats gone wild;999969 wrote:LSU is +23 on turnovers and has the best secondary in football. OSU would have 4 ints probably. OSU wouldnt cause LSU to turn the ball over since LSU doesnt pass much. And OSU cant stop the run. LSU would wear them out and at the end they would do what they did to Ark.

Ok and Oklahoma st is right behind them. And 4 picks come on you act like lsu has the secondary that Miami had in the early 2000's. Like I said they haven't seen any one like weedon or Blackmon all year. I just think its a bad match up for lsu and would be a great game
Dec 3, 2011 11:11pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:12 PM
karen lotz;999965 wrote:If only Bama had a shot at Iowa State.
That's the thing. There's no good way to solve this. Is Alabama better than Oklahoma State? Yeah, in my opinion, they are. But if LSU has already beaten them, theoretically, what's the point of playing again?

For the record, I think Bama could beat LSU, but what does it prove? That there needs to be a third game?
Dec 3, 2011 11:12pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:12 PM
LJ;999960 wrote:Its still 7-5 top 50 if you want to make the 25 vs 30 argument
But at what point does a win stop being impressive? My point wasn't that Auburn is a good win too, it was that neither of them is anything special. A top 50 win in college basketball is impressive at the end of the year because there are 320 teams. Beating a team that finished in the top 50 out of 120 doesn't impress me.

Who cares if you beat a 6-6 Texas A&M team that finished #48 or a 6-6 Vandy team that finished #57 (totally made those numbers up, I'm not sure how they came up with a top 50 BCS poll because human polls don't usually rank 50 teams and the BCS only ranks 30 to my knowledge).

The point is I think it would be stupid to say Team A should definitively make the title game over Team B because the completely average 5 or 6-loss teams Team A beat were slightly better liked by the computers than the 6-loss teams Team B beat.

Look at legitimately good wins, look at who they lost to, and pick the two best teams. I think you could make an argument for either resume. I personally think Alabama is the better team (and the best team in the country, as I've said before).
Dec 3, 2011 11:12pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:13 PM
Crimson streak;999978 wrote:Ok and Oklahoma st is right behind them. And 4 picks come on you act like lsu has the secondary that Miami had in the early 2000's. Like I said they haven't seen any one like weedon or Blackmon all year. I just think its a bad match up for lsu and would be a great game
they probably do. i'd say easily the best unit in cfb
Dec 3, 2011 11:13pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:13 PM
ironman02;999981 wrote:That's the thing. There's no good way to solve this. Is Alabama better than Oklahoma State? Yeah, in my opinion, they are. But if LSU has already beaten them, theoretically, what's the point of playing again?

For the record, I think Bama could beat LSU, but what does it prove? That there needs to be a third game?

I know. I was just saying you can poke holes in any argument for either team.
Dec 3, 2011 11:13pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:13 PM
And oklahoma st can't stop the run? They have held Oklahoma to about 20 yards rushing tonight
Dec 3, 2011 11:13pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM
ironman02;999981 wrote:That's the thing. There's no good way to solve this. Is Alabama better than Oklahoma State? Yeah, in my opinion, they are. But if LSU has already beaten them, theoretically, what's the point of playing again?
To match up the #1 and #2 teams in the country. If Alabama is the #2 team it doesn't matter that they've already played.

The BCS is a shitty system, but it is the current system.
Dec 3, 2011 11:14pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM
chicago510;999973 wrote:Technically, but everyone found out the next morning. So its not like they slept on it.
I dont know if you can blame the crash on the loss. If that was the case, Brett Favre shouldnt of had an amazing day the day after his dad died.
Dec 3, 2011 11:14pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM
cats gone wild;999970 wrote:Read my above post. And OSU gets turnovers because they play in the pass happy B12.
OSU Ranked T-6th in the nation in fumble recoveries with 16

LSU Ranked T-37th in the nation in fumble recoveries with 11

OSU Ranked 2nd in the nation in INT with 21

LSU Ranked T-10th in the nation in INT with 16.

Don't let stats get in the way of your argument though.
Dec 3, 2011 11:14pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM
Longest run of the game is 13 yards. SMH
Dec 3, 2011 11:14pm
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Dec 3, 2011 11:15 PM
dazedconfused;999984 wrote:they probably do. i'd say easily the best unit in cfb

I don't think we will ever see a team like Miami ever again that team had so much talent
Dec 3, 2011 11:15pm