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Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM
Pick6;1015337 wrote:He has been first team NBA all-defensive, and 2nd team all defensive twice, including last season. Hardly "average"
So has LBJ, just because he gets flashy blocks. He doesnt play more than average on ball defense. Theres plenty of wings who D up better than LBJ but he still makes the team
Dec 14, 2011 10:39pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM
wildcats20;1015340 wrote:What are your opinions of Kobe as a defender?
I think Kobe is a good defender when he wants to be. That has nothing to do with this conversation, though.
Dec 14, 2011 10:40pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:40 PM
Hb31187;1015342 wrote:So has LBJ, just because he gets flashy blocks. He doesnt play more than average on ball defense. Theres plenty of wings who D up better than LBJ but he still makes the team
Lebron is an elite defender.
Dec 14, 2011 10:40pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:41 PM
Hb31187;1015342 wrote:So has LBJ, just because he gets flashy blocks. He doesnt play more than average on ball defense. Theres plenty of wings who D up better than LBJ but he still makes the team
so, do you think lebron is an average defender?
Dec 14, 2011 10:41pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM
thedynasty1998;1015336 wrote:Like_that, can you translate this for us?
Sure. Translation, "you're a idiot". Mo Williams can not play the 2 guard just because he shoots a decent percentage from the 3. He'll get killed by good SGs as he doesn't have the size, shot making ability, skill, length, without the ball movement to play a decent 2 guard. He can spot up around the 3 pt line and knock down an open look. On the defensive side he's an even bigger liability. He's a terrible defender at the PG spot and truly pathetic at the SG. Again like I and many other posters have stated which you ignore, he would get killed on defense at the 2 spot. Imagine him trying to guard Kobe, Eric Gordon, Dwayne Wade, Mayo, etc...they all have size on him and would score at will. And your fantasy idea of CP3 moving to the 2 spot on defense is laughable. CP3 doesn't have the defensive ability to do it, nor the size. Like HB stated, he plays passing lanes well, but on the ball defender he leaves a lot to be desired.
Dec 14, 2011 10:43pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:43 PM
thedynasty1998;1015346 wrote:Lebron is an elite defender.

Nah, he is weak on the ball. Off the ball he is amazing though
Dec 14, 2011 10:43pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM
thedynasty1998;1015346 wrote:Lebron is an elite defender.
He has the tools to be an elite defender. But an elite defender who has like 8 inches on another player doesnt let said player light him up (Jason Terry)
Dec 14, 2011 10:44pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM
Pick6;1015347 wrote:so, do you think lebron is an average defender?
On ball, yes
Dec 14, 2011 10:44pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM
thedynasty1998;1015346 wrote:Lebron is an elite defender.
How do you know he never guards anyone who can actually score except for a few possessions here and there.
Dec 14, 2011 10:44pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:44 PM
wes_mantooth;1015353 wrote:Nah, he is weak on the ball. Off the ball he is amazing though
did you see what he did to Rose in the ECF?
Dec 14, 2011 10:44pm
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thedynasty1998;1015346 wrote:Lebron is an elite defender.
lol
Dec 14, 2011 10:44pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:45 PM
Hb31187;1015355 wrote:On ball, yes
whether on ball or not, COA called Chris Paul an average defender, which is not even close to being accurate.
Dec 14, 2011 10:45pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM
Pick6;1015357 wrote:did you see what he did to Rose in the ECF?
Didnt rose get his still?
Dec 14, 2011 10:46pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:47 PM
Hb31187;1015360 wrote:Yeah, he held Rose to 25 and 8 a game....lock down
He didnt guard Rose the whole game. What were Rose's stats the final couple of minutes when Lebron was on him?
Dec 14, 2011 10:47pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:47 PM
Pick6;1015359 wrote:whether on ball or not, COA called Chris Paul an average defender, which is not even close to being accurate.
You think he's worse?
Dec 14, 2011 10:47pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM
If you guys says people like Lebron and CP3 aren't good defenders, I'd really like to see who you think are good defenders.
Dec 14, 2011 10:48pm
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lol elite defender lol
Dec 14, 2011 10:48pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:48 PM
Pick6;1015357 wrote:did you see what he did to Rose in the ECF?

No, I didn't watch the games. I am just going on his Cleveland days. I agree with others that he had the tools, but he is lazy.
Dec 14, 2011 10:48pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:49 PM
Pick6;1015364 wrote:If you guys says people like Lebron and CP3 aren't good defenders, I'd really like to see who you think are good defenders.
SMH

NO ONE SAID THEY AREN'T GOOD DEFENDERS.
Dec 14, 2011 10:49pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:49 PM
Game 1. Rose 28-6
Game 2. 21-8-6
Game 3. 20-5-5
Game 4. 23-6
game 5. 25-8-5

He did a decent job, but id hardly call that great defense
Dec 14, 2011 10:49pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:49 PM
Pick6;1015359 wrote:whether on ball or not, COA called Chris Paul an average defender, which is not even close to being accurate.
He will argue whatever I say. It's comical. Paul is the 2nd best defensive PG in the NBA and can easily slide over to guard a 2 guard. It's not even up for debate. He's proven it.
Dec 14, 2011 10:49pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM
Pick6;1015361 wrote:He didnt guard Rose the whole game. What were Rose's stats the final couple of minutes when Lebron was on him?
For short periods of time if he WANTS he can be a great on ball defender. But more times than not he doesnt even try, he just goes for steals and weak side blocks.
Dec 14, 2011 10:50pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM
Hb31187;1015342 wrote:So has LBJ, just because he gets flashy blocks. He doesnt play more than average on ball defense. Theres plenty of wings who D up better than LBJ but he still makes the team
IDK about that, how many SF's could lock up DRose the way he did, none.
Dec 14, 2011 10:50pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:51 PM
Hb31187;1015369 wrote:Game 1. Rose 28-6
Game 2. 21-8-6
Game 3. 20-5-5
Game 4. 23-6
game 5. 25-8-5

He did a decent job, but id hardly call that great defense
I don't know the answer, but how many shot attempts did he have?
Dec 14, 2011 10:51pm
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Dec 14, 2011 10:51 PM
Hb31187;1015373 wrote:For short periods of time if he WANTS he can be a great on ball defender. But more times than not he doesnt even try, he just goes for steals and weak side blocks.

This pretty much sums it up
Dec 14, 2011 10:51pm