Will Meyer and Hoke make the B1G a top 2 conference again?

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Nov 28, 2011 11:46 PM
Meyer to Ohio State will make the whole B1G better. They will have to improve or get buried and I don't see that happening. With a real Offensive Coordinator and Meyer's speed recruits, OSU will be at the elite SEC teams level within 2 years and the rest of the B1G will scramble to keep up. This is not only great for OSU but a real get for the B1G.
On another matter (Wisconsin) they do have an elite QB coming in this year and they always have running backs so I would not anticipate them falling off much in the coming years. Michigan is much better but not completely back yet (a couple more good recruiting classes still needed) Nebraska is good but not back to what they used to be on either side of the ball. Penn State needs someone like Mullen, they were bad this year (congrats to them for going 9-3 with no more talent than they had) Iowa is a hit or miss team, Northwestern is too gimmacky, I just don't like the way Michigan State plays (they won't ever beat a good team in a bowl) Illinois could be a contender again with the right coach they always seem to have some talent. The rest of the B1g just suck and greatly need to improve their talent level. (not much better tan MAC level talent)
Nov 28, 2011 11:46pm
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Nov 29, 2011 9:10 AM
dwccrew;992217 wrote:I agree that Hoke did well his first season, but they had a pretty light schedule. No Wisconsin or Penn State. They played 2 ranked teams and went 1-1 against them. Not trying to take away from what Hoke did, but Michigan had it easy this season.
Don't get too carried away...

Sagarin SOS - B1G

Team (national rank)
1. Minnesota (18)
2. Nebraska (29)
3. Ohio State (30)
4. Penn State (37)
5. Michigan (38)
6. Iowa (47)
7. Indiana (48)
8. Illinois (49)
9. Michigan State (55)
10. Northwestern (57)
11. Purdue (58)
12. Wisconsin (64)

I don't think it is reasonable to say Michigan's success was due to a weak schedule alone. Especially when they played 3 of the top 4 in the list and beat them all. Also take note that Michigan is 2-1 vs Top 30, tied for best in league. OSU is 1-4.

Now, next year, Michigan will have a much tougher schedule, opening with Alabama, playing ND and Air Force, and having Nebraska and OSU away.
Nov 29, 2011 9:10am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:15 AM
WebFire;992443 wrote:Don't get too carried away...

Sagarin SOS - B1G

Team (national rank)
1. Minnesota (18)
2. Nebraska (29)
3. Ohio State (30)
4. Penn State (37)
5. Michigan (38)
6. Iowa (47)
7. Indiana (48)
8. Illinois (49)
9. Michigan State (55)
10. Northwestern (57)
11. Purdue (58)
12. Wisconsin (64)

I don't think it is reasonable to say Michigan's success was due to a weak schedule alone. Especially when they played 3 of the top 4 in the list and beat them all. Also take note that Michigan is 2-1 vs Top 30, tied for best in league. OSU is 1-4.

Now, next year, Michigan will have a much tougher schedule, opening with Alabama, playing ND and Air Force, and having Nebraska and OSU away.
this isn't the 40's..notre dame isn't a tough opponent
Nov 29, 2011 9:15am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:17 AM
DeyDurkie5;992446 wrote:this isn't the 40's..notre dame isn't a tough opponent
Shutup dipshit. Add something real to the conversation.
Nov 29, 2011 9:17am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:19 AM
WebFire;992451 wrote:Shutup dipshit. Add something real to the conversation.
wat did i say that wasn't true? you pussy
Nov 29, 2011 9:19am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:27 AM
DeyDurkie5;992453 wrote:wat did i say that wasn't true? you pussy
Sagarin knows more than you. He says ND is 24th best and has a SOS of 26. Now move along.

I know they aren't as tough as Akron though...
Nov 29, 2011 9:27am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM
WebFire;992461 wrote:Sagarin knows more than you. He says ND is 24th best and has a SOS of 26. Now move along.

I know they aren't as tough as Akron though...
I don't care what their SOS is, notre dame is an average team. QQ some more web, you are the tobias of michigan fans on this site
Nov 29, 2011 9:30am
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Nov 29, 2011 9:54 AM
KnightRyder;991838 wrote:yea like they did in the 80's when they played brown , colgate, william and mary, temple. talk about the sisters of poor . joe pa had more cupcakes than the neighborhood bakery.
You might want to check your facts on their schedule. Also, they still won their bowl games against top teams. It isn't like they played a weak schedule and then got blown out in their bowl games.
Nov 29, 2011 9:54am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:08 AM
DeyDurkie5;992446 wrote:this isn't the 40's..notre dame isn't a tough opponent
Agreed. My high school team could beat Notre Dame.
Nov 29, 2011 10:08am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:19 AM
WebFire;992443 wrote:Don't get too carried away...

Sagarin SOS - B1G

Team (national rank)
1. Minnesota (18)
2. Nebraska (29)
3. Ohio State (30)
4. Penn State (37)
5. Michigan (38)
6. Iowa (47)
7. Indiana (48)
8. Illinois (49)
9. Michigan State (55)
10. Northwestern (57)
11. Purdue (58)
12. Wisconsin (64)

I don't think it is reasonable to say Michigan's success was due to a weak schedule alone. Especially when they played 3 of the top 4 in the list and beat them all. Also take note that Michigan is 2-1 vs Top 30, tied for best in league. OSU is 1-4.

Now, next year, Michigan will have a much tougher schedule, opening with Alabama, playing ND and Air Force, and having Nebraska and OSU away.
There are what, 66 BCS/AQ schools? So Michigan was in the bottom half of schedules for those schools, like 8 other teams in the B1G. Wisconsin has nearly the worst schedule of any major school. As already mentioned, they didn't even play two of the top three teams in their conference. It isn't getting carried away at all to say that they had quite a favorable schedule.
Nov 29, 2011 10:19am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:20 AM
WebFire;992461 wrote:Sagarin knows more than you.
I'm not too sure about that...
Nov 29, 2011 10:20am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM
enigmaax;992515 wrote:There are what, 66 BCS/AQ schools? So Michigan was in the bottom half of schedules for those schools, like 8 other teams in the B1G. Wisconsin has nearly the worst schedule of any major school. As already mentioned, they didn't even play two of the top three teams in their conference. It isn't getting carried away at all to say that they had quite a favorable schedule.
So the whole B1G has sucky schedules. That's kind of the point. If Michigan were Wisconsin, I could see his point. But to say Michigan's success was due to weak schedule, when nearly the whole B1G is about the same or worse, is pretty much inaccurate.
Nov 29, 2011 10:31am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM
Skyhook79;992518 wrote:I'm not too sure about that...
I'm positive of it.
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Nov 29, 2011 10:32 AM
DeyDurkie5;992463 wrote:I don't care what their SOS is, notre dame is an average team. QQ some more web, you are the tobias of michigan fans on this site
I wasn't crying. You were.
Nov 29, 2011 10:32am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:34 AM
WebFire;992544 wrote:I wasn't crying. You were.
i was stating my opinion, you QQ about it and acted like a girl. hence tobias when i talk about notre dame.
Nov 29, 2011 10:34am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:39 AM
WebFire;992443 wrote:Don't get too carried away...

Sagarin SOS - B1G

Team (national rank)
1. Minnesota (18)
2. Nebraska (29)
3. Ohio State (30)
4. Penn State (37)
5. Michigan (38)
6. Iowa (47)
7. Indiana (48)
8. Illinois (49)
9. Michigan State (55)
10. Northwestern (57)
11. Purdue (58)
12. Wisconsin (64)

I don't think it is reasonable to say Michigan's success was due to a weak schedule alone. Especially when they played 3 of the top 4 in the list and beat them all. Also take note that Michigan is 2-1 vs Top 30, tied for best in league. OSU is 1-4.
You are looking at strength of schedule, not rankings. Minnesota may have had the toughest schedule but they are also really shitty. I don't think being 2-1 against teams with the toughest schedule tells you anything.

I do think it was huge for Michigan this year to not have to play Penn State or Wisconsin. And I also find it interesting that Wisconsin had the easiest schedule in the B1G and Michigan State only played a slightly tougher schedule. Perhaps that is why they are in the title game and not someone else.
WebFire;992443 wrote:Now, next year, Michigan will have a much tougher schedule, opening with Alabama, playing ND and Air Force, and having Nebraska and OSU away.
FWIW I think there schedule being a little weak this year was not Michigan's fault. They always do a pretty good job of playing good teams in the preseason. They can't control that OSU sucked this year.
Nov 29, 2011 10:39am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:45 AM
WebFire;992542 wrote:So the whole B1G has sucky schedules. That's kind of the point. If Michigan were Wisconsin, I could see his point. But to say Michigan's success was due to weak schedule, when nearly the whole B1G is about the same or worse, is pretty much inaccurate.
What difference does it make how tough the rest of the B1G schedules were? Minnesota was #18 in SOS on your thing, that doesn't make them a tough game for Michigan. The fact that Michigan missed two of the top three teams in the conference and lost to the other puts it in a little bit of perspective. Nice year, heading in the right direction, all that. But it shouldn't be a surprise that people aren't buying yet as they were set up pretty well for a team coming off what, 7 wins last year?
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Nov 29, 2011 10:47 AM
enigmaax;992584 wrote:What difference does it make how tough the rest of the B1G schedules were? Minnesota was #18 in SOS on your thing, that doesn't make them a tough game for Michigan. The fact that Michigan missed two of the top three teams in the conference and lost to the other puts it in a little bit of perspective. Nice year, heading in the right direction, all that. But it shouldn't be a surprise that people aren't buying yet as they were set up pretty well for a team coming off what, 7 wins last year?
i'm not saying Minnesota being #18 makes it tough. But you can't use the argument just on 1 team. If you want to say that Michigan did well because of SOS, then so did the rest of the B1G. It's all relevant.
Nov 29, 2011 10:47am
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Nov 29, 2011 10:52 AM
WebFire;992589 wrote:i'm not saying Minnesota being #18 makes it tough. But you can't use the argument just on 1 team. If you want to say that Michigan did well because of SOS, then so did the rest of the B1G. It's all relevant.
That makes more sense to me. (than what I thought you were saying) I'd be interested in seeing what the strength is of the teams they beat. Sure Minnesota played a tough schedule, but that doesn't help when they lost all of their games.
Nov 29, 2011 10:52am
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Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM
FatHobbit;992567 wrote:You are looking at strength of schedule, not rankings. Minnesota may have had the toughest schedule but they are also really shitty. I don't think being 2-1 against teams with the toughest schedule tells you anything.
I don't either. I have a point I was trying to make, but not sure how to word it.
FatHobbit;992567 wrote:I do think it was huge for Michigan this year to not have to play Penn State or Wisconsin. And I also find it interesting that Wisconsin had the easiest schedule in the B1G and Michigan State only played a slightly tougher schedule. Perhaps that is why they are in the title game and not someone else.
And that was my point. No one is looking at MSU and Wiscy and saying they were only successful because of SOS. But yet they use it against Michigan. IMO, that's not a fair or accurate assessment.


FatHobbit;992567 wrote:FWIW I think there schedule being a little weak this year was not Michigan's fault. They always do a pretty good job of playing good teams in the preseason. They can't control that OSU sucked this year.
This will always be the case with leagues that have divisions or don't play all the teams. One division has to be better.
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Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM
FatHobbit;992597 wrote:That makes more sense to me. (than what I thought you were saying) I'd be interested in seeing what the strength is of the teams they beat. Sure Minnesota played a tough schedule, but that doesn't help when they lost all of their games.
By conference... http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

By team... [URL]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm[/URL]
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Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM
FatHobbit;992597 wrote:That makes more sense to me. (than what I thought you were saying) I'd be interested in seeing what the strength is of the teams they beat. Sure Minnesota played a tough schedule, but that doesn't help when they lost all of their games.
SOS or overall ranking of the teams they played?

I think we can eliminate Minnesota from any of this discussion. :D
Nov 29, 2011 11:09am
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Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM
WebFire;992619 wrote:And that was my point. No one is looking at MSU and Wiscy and saying they were only successful because of SOS. But yet they use it against Michigan. IMO, that's not a fair or accurate assessment.
It doesn't make it inaccurate. Hypocritical, maybe, because some of the other people arguing with you downplay the SOS when it comes to comparing the Big Ten to say, the SEC. It is definitely a pick-and-choose argument. Most of the rest of the country believes that MSU and Wisconsin (and typically any top team from the B1G) get inflated win totals because they play in the B1G and the conference sucks. So yes, other people are saying the same things about MSU and Wisky, maybe no one on this thread, but that could also be because the topic is Michigan. That just makes the debate incomplete, not inaccurate.
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Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM
enigmaax;992639 wrote:It doesn't make it inaccurate. Hypocritical, maybe, because some of the other people arguing with you downplay the SOS when it comes to comparing the Big Ten to say, the SEC. It is definitely a pick-and-choose argument. Most of the rest of the country believes that MSU and Wisconsin (and typically any top team from the B1G) get inflated win totals because they play in the B1G and the conference sucks. So yes, other people are saying the same things about MSU and Wisky, maybe no one on this thread, but that could also be because the topic is Michigan. That just makes the debate incomplete, not inaccurate.
I can live with this.
Nov 29, 2011 11:21am
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Nov 29, 2011 1:01 PM
WebFire;992627 wrote:SOS or overall ranking of the teams they played?
I don't think SOS is really that relevant (other than agreeing with you that MSU and Wisconsin play cupcakes) and ranking is fairly subjective. I guess ranking is more what I want.
WebFire;992627 wrote:I think we can eliminate Minnesota from any of this discussion. :D
Lol, yes
Nov 29, 2011 1:01pm