jordo212000 wrote: I know many of you keep talking about UC and WVU... but neither would qualify under the current rules because of academic standards, or lack thereof. I know I was making fun of this earlier, but facts are facts. Any argument involving these two is moot.

Are these "academic standards" for athletes listed anywhere? What requirements does the Big Ten have above NCAA requirements for a student to be accepted or does the university set their own standards? Not to put anyone down, but I know some of the ACT/SAT score for some Big Ten athletes, and they weren't anything exceptional.

I say add Pitt and Ohio State and Michigan will be in the same division because there is no way school officials will want to see that game more than once a year.

North Division:
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Wisconsin

South Division:
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue

That sounds like a good breakdown

I'm thinking the push will be to get ND first. If they can't go with ND, they'll move toward Iowa State, Mizzou, Pitt, WVU, and maybe Rutgers.

Iowa State isn't a good football school, but maybe being in a Big Ten conference that's definitely slumping would be a turn in the right direction for that program.

The Big 12 could look elsewhere like TCU for another member.

While I hate the idea of adding another team and having a conference championship game, if it's going to happen, add Pitt. Only an hour away from me.

The main reason Pitt and PSU don't play each other anymore is JoePa got pissed at Pitt when he wanted to form an East Coast based conference. Pitt didn't join, which kind of destroyed his idea. PSU then joined the Big Ten while many of the schools that JoePa wanted for his conference went ahead and formed the Big East. He's boycotted Pitt ever since saying that he would play Pitt only if Pitt travelled to PSU twice for every one PSU trip to Pitt.

The biggest thing that separates the Big Ten's academic standards from those of the other schools is that the Big Ten has the clout to bring in big-name professors to do research. These professors teach very little except for doctoral seminars. Virtually none of this benefit trickles down to the underclassmen. If you are a freshman or sophomore, you will likely get a better education at Kent State or Akron (two places where I have taught) than at Ohio State.

brutus161 wrote: Add Rutgers and you get the NY market.

The MAC expands to get into more markets. The Big Ten doesn't need these markets.

Little Danny wrote: I crack up when I hear about my academic standards. All of the so called inferior schools of the Big East and the the SEC offer similar programs and opportunities as all of the Big10 schools (except for Northwestern and Michigan). True you can break out some US News and Report article showing these schools a little further down on the list, but from my experience, there is not a whole heck of a lot of difference between these schools.

OSU, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan State, Iowa are not that much better than say Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN, UC, UK, GA, etc.

I got a full ride to UC and got nothing at OSU. That tells me all I need to know about their academic standards. Enjoy your second tier education, but remember you don't even need that to work at McDonalds.

sleeper wrote: I got a full ride to UC and got nothing at OSU. That tells me all I need to know about their academic standards. Enjoy your second tier education, but remember you don't even need that to work at McDonalds.

I really hope this is just your "stage persona" because if you act the way you do on here, in real life... you're going to be the one working at McDonald's

Sleeper couldn't get on at McDonald's. I heard he is the fry guy at McDowell's and takes turns washing the front window with a squeegie with Hakeem.

as an ohio state alum, i am mildly embarrassed sleeper managed to graduate from the school. :[

Notre Dame or Missouri are the only schools I'd be interested in.

jordo212000 wrote:

sleeper wrote: I got a full ride to UC and got nothing at OSU. That tells me all I need to know about their academic standards. Enjoy your second tier education, but remember you don't even need that to work at McDonalds.

I really hope this is just your "stage persona" because if you act the way you do on here, in real life... you're going to be the one working at McDonald's

I don't need a job, I already own my own business. My net worth is probably greater than your entire family and you can take that to the bank.

But seriously, if any of you need a job at McDonalds my friend owns over 30 in Ohio. He's always looking for non-Big Ten grads and high school students to flip burgers. LOL

Not only is the Big Ten the premier athletic conference in the nation, it is also considered to be the Ivy League of the midwest. Ohio State manages to continually be a BCS contender even when their recruits have to earn an ACT score in the mid-twenties to even qualify to be accepted at TOSU.

If Florida, LSU and USC had the same standards that TOSU and the rest of the Big Ten had, they would falter like Tiger Woods trying to do a committment advertisement.

^^ Yeah, I'm sure Maurice Clarett, Andy Katezenmoyer, Ray Small, Beanie Wells, all scored a legit mid-twenty on the ACT. If they did, there was some serious proctoring going on:

Proctor: "What is the square root of 144... is it a, b, C (cough, cough, cough) or d. Oh I forgot to ask if it was C. C what I mean."

All Big Ten schools are members of the Association of American Universities which is a group of the top research universities. It has 60 members which consist of the Ivy League schools, some small schools, and the following breakdown from BCS conferences:

Big Ten (11):
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Penn State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Pac-10 (7):
Arizona
California
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
USC
Stanford

Big XII (6):
Colorado
Kansas
Missouri
Nebraska
Texas
Texas A&M

ACC (4):
Maryland
North Carolina
Virginia
Duke

Big East (3):
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse

SEC (2):
Florida
Vanderbilt

The Big Ten would never admit a school that isn't a member of this group unless it was Notre Dame.

this would suck for the simple fact that I don't want to see OSU vs. UM more than once a year

There is an airport in Morgantown

johngrizzly wrote: Not only is the Big Ten the premier athletic conference in the nation, it is also considered to be the Ivy League of the midwest. Ohio State manages to continually be a BCS contender even when their recruits have to earn an ACT score in the mid-twenties to even qualify to be accepted at TOSU.

If Florida, LSU and USC had the same standards that TOSU and the rest of the Big Ten had, they would falter like Tiger Woods trying to do a committment advertisement.

I think the Pac 10 may have something to say about that. I believe the Top 3 schools in terms of national titles in all sports are from the Pac 10: USC, UCLA and Stanford.

I really don't care who they bring in. I don't care about the academics because I don't run a university within this conference. If I were a student of in the B10, I wouldn't care if Cinci or WVU were invited. It means nothing to me if they recruit Michael the 26ACT kid or if they recruit DaMichael the 16ACT kid. I just want to see a pretty talented school come in and give the conference 12 teams so we can have a conference championship. I would like ND first, but it won't happen. I'd happily take Mizz or Pitt next.

The thing with rankings for Big 10 schools is that, aside from NW and UM (for undergraduate education), it is all based on research opportunities and the like. The difference between Big 10 schools and the SEC, Big 12, Big East, etc., is minimal when talking about an undergraduate education.

Now, if we're talking graduate or doctoral work, i would certainly recognize that the Big 10 is "better" than the SEC, for example.

In my field, even Kent State is ranked ahead of the SEC schools offering the comparable masters program.

But, as far as undergraduate education is concerned, not much of a difference at all.

Hell, and as far as Ohio goes, Ohio State wasn't even an original "public ivy," Miami was.

Where you went to school for undergrad is incredibly overrated. I work with a guy who went to Grand Valley State for undergrad, and has a masters degree from Harvard. Another who went to Akron for undergrad, has a masters degree from Stanford. Have a friend who went to UC for undergrad, now is the CEO of a small tech company in San Francisco. He is the manager of three Stanford guys who received undergraduate degrees from there, and they're all the same age, same level of education.

If you're a smart kid, work hard, take advantage of being in an academic environment for four years, you're going to be successful, regardless of where you received your undergraduate education, by and large.

All of the talk about McDonald's has made me hungry.

The Big 10 should add Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and change its name to the Sexy 12.

believer wrote:

ccrunner609 wrote: what about UC?

Will never happen. UC's success in basketball and a "fluke" year in football isn't enough. The stadium is too small and its academic standards aren't nearly as good as the rest of the Big Televen.

At least these are the bullshit reasons the Buckeye fans will tell you.

My understanding is the real hurdle is the academics.

But why would UC want to leave the Big East?

Little Danny wrote: ^^ Yeah, I'm sure Maurice Clarett, Andy Katezenmoyer, Ray Small, Beanie Wells, all scored a legit mid-twenty on the ACT. If they did, there was some serious proctoring going on:

Proctor: "What is the square root of 144... is it a, b, C (cough, cough, cough) or d. Oh I forgot to ask if it was C. C what I mean."

The square root of 144 is 12. Not C. Must be that UC education! LOL

Maurice Clarett actually was a strong student. Graduated his HS early to enroll at TOSU. His decision-making skills can be questioned, but not his academic skills. Big Kat wasn't no dummy either. No school in America has more people trying to bring them down like TOSU so I'm sure these guys were legit in terms of meeting TOSU standards. If they didn't have high ACT/SAT scores, we would have known. Recruits at TOSU do not get a break. They have to have the same scores as regular incoming, accepted freshman, as do all Big 10 schools. TOSU can't just go out and get Tyrone Thug because of the very high standards.

johngrizzly wrote: Maurice Clarett actually was a strong student. Graduated his HS early to enroll at TOSU. His decision-making skills can be questioned, but not his academic skills. Big Kat wasn't no dummy either. No school in America has more people trying to bring them down like TOSU so I'm sure these guys were legit in terms of meeting TOSU standards. If they didn't have high ACT/SAT scores, we would have known. Recruits at TOSU do not get a break. They have to have the same scores as regular incoming, accepted freshman, as do all Big 10 schools. TOSU can't just go out and get Tyrone Thug because of the very high standards.

"Suspended Ohio State tailback Maurice Clarett is flunking two classes, including a physical education course, according to two letters obtained by the Columbus Dispatch Friday."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1657021
Yup sounds like Clarett is a strong student.

"SI has obtained copies of two anonymous letters—both signed "Sincerely, OSU Faculty"—that were sent to Ohio State president William Kirwin last summer and that offer new details about Andy's excellent academic adventure. "The special treatment football player Andy Katzenmoyer has received this summer in order to be academically eligible is ridiculous,"

There is more there too...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1016173/index.htm

Yup the Big Kat was a good student too haha