Penn State Scandal - Paterno Fired

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Nov 10, 2011 8:46pm
Sykotyk;967274 wrote:Anybody who believes a good samaritan must risk their lives is missing the point. If your life is in jeopardy in order to help a victim, that's your personal call to make. Maybe McQueary feared the large naked man would try to fuck him if he interfered, who knows.

Misdemeanor crimes, etc. Yeah, maybe I'd just report it higher up. But a 10-year-old being rammed in the ass by an old man is something I would at least call the cops for. You're equating a 10-year-old being raped to witnesses a coworker stealing money from the register, etc. This is criminal. In fact, it's right up there with murder in terms of damage they're doing.


If McQueary walked in on Sandusky killing a full-grown man by stabbing them in the abdomen with a machete, would McQueary just run home to daddy? Would him and his dad just decide to tell Paterno in the morning? Would Paterno just tell his AD and wash his hands of it? Would McQueary just stay there knowing a murderer was walking around the campus and had free access to that building? Would the AD and VP just ignore it and tell McQueary he can't bring machetes onto school property anymore? Would nobody call the cops at all?

The people doubting McQueary's testimony would have to then question each of the seven boys that told their stories of what happened to them. All of which sync up with each other in regard to Sandusky's MO in how he befriends them, treats them, assaults them, etc. So, McQueary's testimony is not unbelievable. Considering the fact JoePa admits that McQueary came to him and was told of (in Joe's words) fondling and of a sexual nature, etc and then told the AD the next day himself.

So, there's no debate between anybody that McQueary came to JoePa to tell him. There's no debate by JoePa that he went to the AD. Only the AD and VP are in trouble because they lied about it (hence the perjury charges). The only dispute is that JoePa said it was 'fondling' and of a 'sexual nature', while McQueary claims he told him specifically what he saw. Which, in Joe's terminology, 'sexual nature' might mean the same as 'fucked in the ass'.

And despite all this, you have the one victim's mother who Sandusky told her he was sorry and that he wished he was dead. Police were in the other room. But the prosecutor felt there wasn't enough evidence to go after him. So, he walked there. The janitors witnessed something, but had a meeting first to decide if they should tell their boss (they were contract cleaners, not university employees) and were afraid they might lose their jobs. They went ahead voted amongst each other to tell their boss.

If it were one accusation, I could understand how this could be blown out of proportion. But, McQueary's testimony fits into the picture when confronted with the other seven victims that were known about at the time. Since then, more have come forward. But not the boy McQueary saw in 2002. It's not something the victim even wants to talk about. And a 10-year-old that's lived with it for nine years could've done a great job telling himself it didn't happen.
So much wrong information in your post I don't even know where to begin.
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Nov 10, 2011 8:46pm
Skyhook79;967275 wrote:Yeah that happened in 1998 the mother of victim 2 called the authorities, 2 Police Detectives and an investigator took control of the situation and Sandusky was booked,charged and taken off the street...oh wait.
Another day and you still don't make sense. Obviously people other than Paterno screwed up in the past, particularly Sandusky, you know the guy likely going to jail for the rest of his life.

This doesn't make Paterno less culpable, or worthy of keeping his job. He screwed up too. I don't get it. Because he wasn't as bad as Sandusky he's clean?

For the love of Christ, what is your point?
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Nov 10, 2011 8:47pm
Skyhook79;967279 wrote:So much wrong information in your post I don't even know where to begin.
Begin somewhere. The next correct thing you say on this thread will be your first.
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Nov 10, 2011 8:55pm
Manhattan Buckeye;967282 wrote:Begin somewhere. The next correct thing you say on this thread will be your first.
58% of Lawyers are ambulance chasing slime balls.
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Nov 10, 2011 8:59pm
Skyhook79;967287 wrote:58% of Lawyers are ambulance chasing slime balls.
I would guess 57%, but I like that you are true to yourself. When people bring up logic, facts and reasoning you resort to nonsensical posts. In JoePa's GJ testimony he stated that he was told that the contact was sexual. It isn't even a debate. It is public record. That is enough for him to be in his current situation (unemployed).

The lack of action had real consequences. Sandusky was allowed to continue his predatory behavior because JoePa and others didn't stand up for the weakest in our society. Screw football, this is about real morality.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:10pm
Manhattan Buckeye;967293 wrote:I would guess 57%, but I like that you are true to yourself. When people bring up logic, facts and reasoning you resort to nonsensical posts. In JoePa's GJ testimony he stated that he was told that the contact was sexual. It isn't even a debate. It is public record. That is enough for him to be in his current situation (unemployed).

The lack of action had real consequences. Sandusky was allowed to continue his predatory behavior because JoePa and others didn't stand up for the weakest in our society. Screw football, this is about real morality.
He was told it was "something of a sexual nature" not contact WAS sexual. Big difference. I thought Lawyers loved to play with "open to interpretation" comments of statements in testimony and eye witness accounts?
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Nov 10, 2011 9:14pm
Why people are still arguing with those vehemently defending Joe Pa is beyond me.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:16pm
Even taking him at his word it is still enough for him to have done more. For the love that all is holy, Sandusky was naked in the shower with a pre-teen boy that wasn't related to him in JoePa's facility. And that's the BEST take on the situation.

In what world is that normal?
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Nov 10, 2011 9:19pm
Skyhook79;967298 wrote:He was told it was "something of a sexual nature" not contact WAS sexual. Big difference. I thought Lawyers loved to play with "open to interpretation" comments of statements in testimony and eye witness accounts?
Is this fucking serious?
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Nov 10, 2011 9:24pm
WebFire;967305 wrote:Is this ****ing serious?
Lol, I was going to comment on it but I thought it would be pointless. That's beyond ridiculous.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:26pm
Skyhook79;967298 wrote:He was told it was "something of a sexual nature" not contact WAS sexual. Big difference. I thought Lawyers loved to play with "open to interpretation" comments of statements in testimony and eye witness accounts?
I might be wrong but weren't the words "shower" and "naked" in there as well?
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Nov 10, 2011 9:30pm
Skyhook79;967298 wrote:He was told it was "something of a sexual nature" not contact WAS sexual. Big difference. I thought Lawyers loved to play with "open to interpretation" comments of statements in testimony and eye witness accounts?
Explain the difference. At the end of the day he knew something sexual took place between a 10 year old kid and a 60 year old man in the shower. That is MORE than enough to give it more attention
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Nov 10, 2011 9:34pm
Skyhook79;967298 wrote:He was told it was "something of a sexual nature" not contact WAS sexual. Big difference. I thought Lawyers loved to play with "open to interpretation" comments of statements in testimony and eye witness accounts?
Name one justifiable "something" that is of a sexual nature that is appropriate for a 60 year old man to be doing with a 10 year old child naked in a shower.

Seriously... what the hell man.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:38pm
ESPN reported: JoPa has hired a CRIMINAL DEFENSE attorney!!!!!
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Nov 10, 2011 9:48pm
Per SportsCenter alert on my phone: McQueary will not attend Nebraska game
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Nov 10, 2011 9:49pm
Fab1b;967322 wrote:ESPN reported: JoPa has hired a CRIMINAL DEFENSE attorney!!!!!
He will need one.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:54pm
http://blog.sfgate.com/sportsevents/2011/11/10/a-message-from-occupy-herbstreit-donate/

Kudos to Occupy Herbstreit. In full disclosure the main guy behind it is a close friend of mine.
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Nov 10, 2011 9:58pm
I can't watch this Georgia Tech/Va Tech game and not think that GT's old, white defensive coordinator rapes little kids in their locker room facilities. :(
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Nov 10, 2011 9:59pm
ccrunner609;967348 wrote:He, PSU, THe Penn. Attorny general will all need this.

Aside from the criminal proceedings, the civil suits could be unprecedented.
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Nov 10, 2011 10:00pm
SportsAndLady;967350 wrote:I can't watch this Georgia Tech/Va Tech game and not think that GT's old, white defensive coordinator rapes little kids in their locker room facilities. :(

Al Groh? Doubt it. He's a good guy, not the best coach but not a child molester. He lives down the street from my in-laws.
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Nov 10, 2011 10:01pm
Manhattan Buckeye;967356 wrote:Al Groh? Doubt it. He's a good guy, not the best coach but not a child molester. He lives down the street from my in-laws.
Lol I was obviously kidding
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Nov 10, 2011 10:17pm
Penn State just had a recruit decommit. Probably will be more soon.
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Nov 10, 2011 10:18pm
Fab1b;967322 wrote:ESPN reported: JoPa has hired a CRIMINAL DEFENSE attorney!!!!!
I would too when you have the irrationality of the masses calling for his head.
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Nov 10, 2011 10:21pm
sleeper;967383 wrote:I would too when you have the irrationality of the masses calling for his head.
I don't think he's going to face criminal charges, he's too old and too senile. What good would it do? He's out, that's enough.
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Nov 10, 2011 10:22pm
Manhattan Buckeye;967385 wrote:I don't think he's going to face criminal charges, he's too old and too senile. What good would it do? He's out, that's enough.
I'd still hire one. It's always good to hire a lawyer just in case something goes wrong, you can blame the lawyer and sue him.