I'd argue that what happened to Penn State, right or wrong, should not be categorized as the most important part of this. It's a sidebar at best.

^^^But isn't that why this thread has been reopened?...the "sidebar"?

isadore;1697256 wrote:The NCAA has now joined the as facilitators of child rape.

The logical leaps required to believe that can only be undertaken by a complete and utter idiot.

So, uh, congrats?

HitsRus;1697277 wrote:^^^But isn't that why this thread has been reopened?...the "sidebar"?

Perhaps, but that doesn't make it important. What is important is what one man did to children and what a powerful man didn't do to stop it. Everything else is conversation.

Joe Paterno's reputation and his legacy are forever tarnished. The stress of the situation pushed him to an early grave, where a lot of information about how much he knew and when he knew died with him. I am comfortable with letting the Almighty take it from here. The only converation that remains is the NCAA.

lhslep134;1697278 wrote:The logical leaps required to believe that can only be undertaken by a complete and utter idiot.

So, uh, congrats?

Well, that is Izzy in a nutshell. He's basically a posting version of the underpants gnomes.

1. Has point A.

2. Wants to connect it to point B.

3. ????????

4. DID IT!!!!!

Funny timing on the underpants gnome thing Heretic. I had no idea, until yesterday, that the underpants gnome logic gap thing became a meme and a cultural reference. I was reading a Grantland article yesterday about Manchester City and then had a version of it and referred to it as a meme.

Mind. blown. good shit South Park

lhslep134;1697278 wrote:The logical leaps required to believe that can only be undertaken by a complete and utter idiot.

So, uh, congrats?

gosh a ruddies when the NCAA appeased the organizations that facilitated child rape they became accomplice after the fact. Of course, realizing that require moral values which you have not developed.

HitsRus;1697268 wrote:No, the NCAA realized that its overreach could not be defended in a court of law and settled.



I am sure that proper justice is being administered there in accordance with his complicity and involvement.


A fair opinion of the man if you judge him completely by his lack of action in this case.

the NCAA punished evil then when chicken when Paterno's acolytes resisted.

isadore clearly has no idea how the words facilitate and accomplice work in conjunction with the English language.

Isadore, you can't just throw those words in a sentence with other words and expect it to make sense. I know part of your spiel is an act, but you're being legitimately stupid here so I fear for your future progeny that you may be imparting stupidity unto them.

lhslep134;1697332 wrote:isadore clearly has no idea how the words facilitate and accomplice work in conjunction with the English language.

Isadore, you can't just throw those words in a sentence with other words and expect it to make sense. I know part of your spiel is an act, but you're being legitimately stupid here so I fear for your future progeny that you may be imparting stupidity unto them.

Gosh a ruddies the football program, the athletic department and the administration took actions that made it easier for Jerry Sandusky to continue raping children. That is facilitating his acts. By going chicken the NCAA has rewarded those institution. Helping the guilty escape punishment is one way to be an accomplice after the fact. Now let us return to your retarded moral development.

isadore;1697340 wrote:Gosh a ruddies the football program, the athletic department and the administration took actions that made it easier for Jerry Sandusky to continue raping children. That is facilitating his acts. By going chicken the NCAA has rewarded those institution. Helping the guilty escape punishment is one way to be an accomplice after the fact. Now let us return to your retarded moral development.

I agree with Isadore..........that's rare

Sickening that the Paterno family is calling this a "victory". If Pedo State re-installs that gawd awful statue back at the stadium I hope an anti child sexual abuse group blows it up.

By going chicken the NCAA has rewarded those institution.

The NCAA never had the power to punish an institution for anything other than violations related to amateur athletics and professionalism coded within its rule book to begin with, so it really doesn't follow that this is a reward either. If the NCAA hadn't gone "chicken", the results would have been the same, except that the NCAA would have been exposed for the POS it is.

HitsRus;1697367 wrote:The NCAA never had the power to punish an institution for anything other than violations related to amateur athletics and professionalism coded within its rule book to begin with, so it really doesn't follow that this is a reward either. If the NCAA hadn't gone "chicken", the results would have been the same, except that the NCAA would have been exposed for the POS it is.

Gosh a ruddies what an interesting value system you have. In a scandal involving Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, Penn State Athletic Dept and Adminstration you would chose out of all the participants to describe the NCAA as a &#8220OS.” Gosh a ruddies Penn State agreed to the sanctions when they should have gotten the death penalty.

"Gosh a ruddies" what leaps of logic do you take! It's pretty obvious that Jerry Sandusky et al. are not only POS... But convicted criminals. The principals of this scandal have been convicted, are dead, been fired and prosecuted to the limits of the law. What kind of monster wants to continue to heap misfortune on the innocent parties of the Penn State community and the taxpayers of Pennslyvania?

HitsRus;1697441 wrote:"Gosh a ruddies" what leaps of logic do you take! It's pretty obvious that Jerry Sandusky et al. are not only POS... But convicted criminals. The principals of this scandal have been convicted, are dead, been fired and prosecuted to the limits of the law. What kind of monster wants to continue to heap misfortune on the innocent parties of the Penn State community and the taxpayers of Pennslyvania?

agreed

HitsRus;1697441 wrote:"Gosh a ruddies" what leaps of logic do you take! It's pretty obvious that Jerry Sandusky et al. are not only POS... But convicted criminals. The principals of this scandal have been convicted, are dead, been fired and prosecuted to the limits of the law. What kind of monster wants to continue to heap misfortune on the innocent parties of the Penn State community and the taxpayers of Pennslyvania?

Gosh a ruddies according to your expressed opinion, you could never punish an institution for any actions it took or did not take. Why, because it might hurt someone in that institution who was not directly involved in the decision. The government could not hold an GM responsible for knowingly putting a dangerous car on the road and fining them. Why, because those fines might hurt in some way the employees and investors in GM. That is a license for institutions to do unbelievable harm, like the PSU folks allowed.
It is interesting as you read through the comments how you are unwilling or unable to condemn Paterno. You weasel around it.

I'm satisfied with the decision to allow Pedo State to start recovering with the schollies reinstated but I'm far from OK with reinstating "Joe - Look the Other Way" Paterno as the all-time winningest coach in CFB history. This meglo-maniac knew for at least 12 yrs and possibly more that one of his top asst coaches (and good friends according to many) was butt-fucking young boys. I'm sorry that trumps all and his legacy needs to be erased. And his dipshit kid Jay needs to do time for lying to the grand jury.

isadore;1697462 wrote:Gosh a ruddies according to your expressed opinion, you could never punish an institution for any actions it took or did not take. Why, because it might hurt someone in that institution who was not directly involved in the decision. The government could not hold an GM responsible for knowingly putting a dangerous car on the road and fining them. Why, because those fines might hurt in some way the employees and investors in GM. That is a license for institutions to do unbelievable harm, like the PSU folks allowed.
It is interesting as you read through the comments how you are unwilling or unable to condemn Paterno. You weasel around it.

Poor analogy because you are comparing criminal activity of a few individuals to culpable negligence on the part of a manufacturer.

Further, the NCAA does NOT have the authority to punish Penn State in this manner and the penalties levied go way beyond reason and violated due process. That Penn State initially accepted the penalties imposed under duress means nothing because the punishment was levied without authority. Fortunately, a Pennslyvania state senator representing the taxpayers, had the courage to stand up to the bully NCAA and get the people off the hook for a $60 million fine for a crime(not an NCAA rules violation) which they and 99.999% of the Penn State community DID NOT COMMIT.

The problem that I see with you and others on this site, ( not just in this case but others as well) is that you don't understand the rule and code of law, the division of authority, and the necessity of precisely following it. Vigilante justice...whether it comes from the Klan, the intolerant politically correct left, or a private/public organization exceeding its authority... cannot be condoned no matter how much our sensibilities are offended.

Hits, it's not worth your effort to show isadore how intellectually infantile his argument is, because he's either incapable of realizing it or too stubborn to.

I support the decision to pull back the penalties. I'm not saying Paterno is all clean regarding this incident, but the penalties were absurd to begin with to levy against the football program. Not sure why everyone thinks justice needs to involve taking away wins, scholarships, bowl bans for a criminal manner; oh because Penn State "just doesn't get it". Nice cliche morons.

HitsRus;1697485 wrote:Poor analogy because you are comparing criminal activity of a few individuals to culpable negligence on the part of a manufacturer.

Further, the NCAA does NOT have the authority to punish Penn State in this manner and the penalties levied go way beyond reason and violated due process. That Penn State initially accepted the penalties imposed under duress means nothing because the punishment was levied without authority. Fortunately, a Pennslyvania state senator representing the taxpayers, had the courage to stand up to the bully NCAA and get the people off the hook for a $60 million fine for a crime(not an NCAA rules violation) which they and 99.999% of the Penn State community DID NOT COMMIT.

The problem that I see with you and others on this site, ( not just in this case but others as well) is that you don't understand the rule and code of law, the division of authority, and the necessity of precisely following it. Vigilante justice...whether it comes from the Klan, the intolerant politically correct left, or a private/public organization exceeding its authority... cannot be condoned no matter how much our sensibilities are offended.

The situation are very analogous. In both situations powerful the leaders of powerful institutions chose to look the other way, to coverup in order to protect their reputation and brand name. In both cases it in part involved money. Penn State made hundreds of millions of dollars off the football program and Joe Pa‘s, directly in tickets, tv revenue, clothing sales and indirectly in contributions from the University from wealthy donors. It football team was able to recruit hundreds of great athletes on the reputation of the program and of its head coach.
For many decades they had benefited from being part of the NCAA. Gosh Joe and the Penn State athletic department had been a supporter of strong use of NCAA power to enforce standards. When finally caught in the dastardly coverup they rapidly agreed to the punishment. They feared the death penalty, a fully justified penalty supported by any decent American. The loss of scholarships and victories gained through illicit means was completely justified. They were covering up child rape while recruiting athletes based on their clean image. They got off easy originally and now they avoid all the punishment, there is no justice.
99% of GM did not coverup killer cars, but the leadership did, 99% of Penn State were not accomplices in child rape, but the leadership was.

sleeper;1697488 wrote:I support the decision to pull back the penalties. I'm not saying Paterno is all clean regarding this incident, but the penalties were absurd to begin with to levy against the football program. Not sure why everyone thinks justice needs to involve taking away wins, scholarships, bowl bans for a criminal manner; oh because Penn State "just doesn't get it". Nice cliche morons.

Paterno is hardly clean in this incident, but all the parties responsible for this deplorable incident have been removed/punished to the limits the law allows.

I agree with you on the taking away wins/bowl bans/schollies ...especially moving forward. Enough has been heaped on the innocent.

Tiernan is upset that they restored Joe Paterno's wins.....but think of it this way.....they also restored the wins of those college athletes that also earned those wins and did nothing wrong, but to have played for Penn State.
Joe Paterno won more college football games than anyone in history....that's a fact. Sure the NCAA can take away the wins and the #2 guy can be called the coach who won the most games....but there will always be an asterisk no matter which way it is noted. The truth is that Paterno won those games, and that won't change just because we view him as complicit with Sandusky or if he had gone out and shot up a bus of children with an AK-47.

Isadore...I get it that you don't get it.

Carry on with your vindictiveness against the innocents.