State Issue 3 “Ohio Healthcare Freedom Amendment”

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Nov 8, 2011 2:07 PM
thePITman;963581 wrote:I voted YES on Issues 2 & 3.
bigdaddy2003;963599 wrote:I too voted YES on issues 2 and 3.
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Nov 8, 2011 2:07pm
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Nov 8, 2011 2:13 PM
Will be voting No on Issue 1, no on Issue 2 and Yes on Issue 3.
Nov 8, 2011 2:13pm
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Nov 8, 2011 3:26 PM
No on 1. Retire at 70 and enjoy your life. Give somebody else a chance to be judge.
Yes on 2. It's time for public employees to do what they demand of taxpayers: To contribute to retirement savings and medical insurance just like the folks that fund the public employees.
Yes on 3. Yes, I know it's symbolic, but I can never vote for ObamaKare.
Nov 8, 2011 3:26pm
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Nov 8, 2011 5:53 PM
What is Issue 1?
Nov 8, 2011 5:53pm
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Nov 8, 2011 5:59 PM
sleeper;963912 wrote:What is Issue 1?
Allows a person to be appointed judge until age 75 instead of 70, or something along those lines.

No way I would vote yes for that one.
Nov 8, 2011 5:59pm
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Nov 8, 2011 6:12 PM
Mulva;963916 wrote:Allows a person to be appointed judge until age 75 instead of 70, or something along those lines.

No way I would vote yes for that one.
Yeah, that's a no for me.
Nov 8, 2011 6:12pm
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Nov 8, 2011 8:07 PM
Voted no, yes, yes.
Nov 8, 2011 8:07pm
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Nov 8, 2011 9:55 PM
Hmmm...all 8 of Ohio's major newspapers came out against Issue 3. WLW's Bill Cunningham came out against it. Of course, all the Obamabots were against it.

Yet it's passing with a greater margin than the SB5 haters are winning Issue #2. Interesting.

Doesn't really matter much on either issue. The folks that wrote the original SB5 are still in charge and will re-write it. The feds own all the states now, so issue 3 is merely a middle finger to Obama. In this contest, the men in black robes are on stage next.
Nov 8, 2011 9:55pm
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Nov 8, 2011 10:23 PM
When the federal government's own Supreme Court orders Ohio to abide by the federal law we will see if we have the nuts to continue to defy them. It will determine if the states have any rights left.
Nov 8, 2011 10:23pm
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Nov 8, 2011 10:23 PM
I still don't think throwing something in the Constitution that is completely useless is the greatest way to send a message like that, regardless of how you feel on the health care issue.

Also, that was the position most of the newspapers took... they took it at that base level, whether you support/oppose the health care mandate wasn't relevant to why they said to vote no.
Nov 8, 2011 10:23pm
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Nov 9, 2011 9:00 AM
Cleveland Buck;964313 wrote:When the federal government's own Supreme Court orders Ohio to abide by the federal law we will see if we have the nuts to continue to defy them. It will determine if the states have any rights left.
So you suggesting Ohio succeed from the Union?
Nov 9, 2011 9:00am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:32 AM
Abe Vigoda;964554 wrote:So you suggesting Ohio succeed from the Union?
Secede?
Nov 9, 2011 9:32am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:39 AM
Abe Vigoda;964554 wrote:So you suggesting Ohio succeed from the Union?
That's what you got from that?
Nov 9, 2011 9:39am
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Nov 9, 2011 9:41 AM
Abe Vigoda;964554 wrote:So you suggesting Ohio succeed from the Union?
LOL, probably a teacher.
Nov 9, 2011 9:41am
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Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM
If the Supreme Court gives the thumbs up to the Health Care Law(which is likely at this point)....this will be rendered null and void
Nov 9, 2011 10:45am
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Nov 9, 2011 11:28 AM
I think that was discussed already.
Nov 9, 2011 11:28am
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Nov 9, 2011 11:35 AM
Ty Webb;964733 wrote:If the Supreme Court gives the thumbs up to the Health Care Law(which is likely at this point)....this will be rendered null and void
Hey Ty - I know you like to post polls from progessives showing Obama so far out in front that only Jesus Christ would stand a smidgen of a chance against him. The poll results from the people of Ohio yesterday stated that ObamaKare was defeated 66-34. There can be no better poll taken as the group size was registered voters.

By the way, please check who's on the SCOTUS and then tell me it is likely. From all indications that the experts have written, it will come down to Justice Stevens' vote. That is, if Ruth Ginsburg doesn't live that long, then his vote won't be as important.
Nov 9, 2011 11:35am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:44 AM
Voted No, Yes, No.

The last one I voted no on mostly because it has zero power to have any effect.
Nov 10, 2011 9:44am
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Nov 10, 2011 5:33 PM
Ty Webb;964733 wrote:If the Supreme Court gives the thumbs up to the Health Care Law(which is likely at this point)....this will be rendered null and void
They aren't ruling on the law. They're ruling on the Individual Mandate...which is a sure bet to be torched by a 5-4 vote. Then the ball goes back to Bam to find another way to fund his shitty law.
Nov 10, 2011 5:33pm
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Nov 11, 2011 11:01 AM
fish82;967071 wrote:They aren't ruling on the law. They're ruling on the Individual Mandate...which is a sure bet to be torched by a 5-4 vote. Then the ball goes back to Bam to find another way to fund his ****ty law.
The majority of funding or sources of new revenue include a much-broadened Medicare tax on incomes over $200,000 and $250,000, for individual and joint filers respectively, an annual fee on insurance providers, and a 40% tax on "Cadillac" insurance policies. There are also taxes on pharmaceuticals, high-cost diagnostic equipment, and a federal sales tax on indoor tanning services. Offsets are from intended cost savings such as improved fairness in the Medicare Advantage program relative to traditional Medicare.

The individual mandate just make sure that people who are currently freeloading off the system by not having insurance pay at least something. Sounds fair to me.
Nov 11, 2011 11:01am
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Nov 11, 2011 12:30 PM
Abe Vigoda;967776 wrote:The majority of funding or sources of new revenue include a much-broadened Medicare tax on incomes over $200,000 and $250,000, for individual and joint filers respectively, an annual fee on insurance providers, and a 40% tax on "Cadillac" insurance policies. There are also taxes on pharmaceuticals, high-cost diagnostic equipment, and a federal sales tax on indoor tanning services. Offsets are from intended cost savings such as improved fairness in the Medicare Advantage program relative to traditional Medicare.

The individual mandate just make sure that people who are currently freeloading off the system by not having insurance pay at least something. Sounds fair to me.
So basically in short, tax the rich. Sounds awesome!
Nov 11, 2011 12:30pm
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Nov 11, 2011 2:16 PM
sleeper;967926 wrote:So basically in short, tax the rich. Sounds awesome!
Or we can all just not buy health insurance and the hospitals are still required by law to provide services and crash the whole healthcare system. What's your idea of fixing the system?
Nov 11, 2011 2:16pm
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Nov 11, 2011 2:25 PM
Abe Vigoda;968114 wrote:Or we can all just not buy health insurance and the hospitals are still required by law to provide services and crash the whole healthcare system. What's your idea of fixing the system?
Healthcare is the most complicated problem in the country, book it. I do not have a solution, but I don't want the government managing my healthcare, period.

I'm sure others on here care enough to tell you their solution to the problem.
Nov 11, 2011 2:25pm
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Nov 16, 2011 11:35 AM
sleeper;968128 wrote:Healthcare is the most complicated problem in the country, book it. I do not have a solution, but I don't want the government managing my healthcare, period.

I'm sure others on here care enough to tell you their solution to the problem.
If you can afford it then there is not a thing in the act that says you don't have the choice to keep what you have or buy even better coverage. Is it not true that if you receive Medicare, the government has been "managing your healthcare" for years already?
Nov 16, 2011 11:35am