State Issue 3 “Ohio Healthcare Freedom Amendment”

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Bigdogg

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Oct 28, 2011 11:28 AM
Looks like it is currently passing in the polls in spite of every major newspaper in Ohio against it. It is poorly written, with lots of unintended consequences, and many people think it is unconstitutional. Also what many people do not realize is that the Affordable Healthcare Act was passed by Congress and can only be eliminated by Congressional Act, and not any Presidential Executive order. Here is a good analysis of the problems:

http://innovationohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IOReport_BadMedicine_0901.pdf
Oct 28, 2011 11:28am
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Nov 3, 2011 9:43 AM
I really hope this passes.
Nov 3, 2011 9:43am
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Con_Alma

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Nov 3, 2011 9:51 AM
I will vote yes.
Nov 3, 2011 9:51am
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queencitybuckeye

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Nov 3, 2011 10:00 AM
Are the people behind this amendment being up front with the notion that the main reason for this issue's existence is symbolic?
Nov 3, 2011 10:00am
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Con_Alma

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Nov 3, 2011 10:03 AM
I don't think they are, no.
Nov 3, 2011 10:03am
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Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM
Con_Alma;956048 wrote:I don't think they are, no.
Even if they are, too many voters don't pay attention and research the issues. Unfortunately.
Nov 3, 2011 10:44am
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Nov 3, 2011 10:46 AM
I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
Nov 3, 2011 10:46am
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Nov 3, 2011 10:53 AM
WebFire;956130 wrote:Even if they are, too many voters don't pay attention and research the issues. Unfortunately.
Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
Nov 3, 2011 10:53am
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Con_Alma

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Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM
Cleveland Buck;956136 wrote:I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
Are there not State lawsuits out there now?

Is this a step in Ohio being next in line?
Nov 3, 2011 10:54am
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Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM
Cleveland Buck;956136 wrote:I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
Me too.
Nov 3, 2011 10:54am
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Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM
FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
That's part of the problem too.
Nov 3, 2011 10:58am
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Nov 3, 2011 11:02 AM
FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
It essentially repeals the mandate in Obamacare.
Nov 3, 2011 11:02am
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Nov 3, 2011 11:04 AM
Con_Alma;956145 wrote:Are there not State lawsuits out there now?

Is this a step in Ohio being next in line?
I hope Ohio gets involved, but I'm not hopeful for the outcome once it gets to the Supreme Court. I doubt a branch of the federal government is going to side with states defying federal law. Hopefully once they lose in court these states still resist.
Nov 3, 2011 11:04am
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Con_Alma

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Nov 3, 2011 11:06 AM
Cleveland Buck;956157 wrote:I hope Ohio gets involved, but I'm not hopeful for the outcome once it gets to the Supreme Court. I doubt a branch of the federal government is going to side with states defying federal law. Hopefully once they lose in court these states still resist.
I think the question will be based on whether the Federal law can supersede States rights in this scenario.
Nov 3, 2011 11:06am
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queencitybuckeye

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Nov 3, 2011 11:20 AM
Cleveland Buck;956155 wrote:It essentially repeals the mandate in Obamacare.
How does federal law trump state law to make this the case?
Nov 3, 2011 11:20am
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Bigdogg

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Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM
Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.

I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
Nov 3, 2011 11:51am
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Nov 3, 2011 12:02 PM
Bigdogg;956269 wrote:Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.
Funny this thread popped up last night when I approved the other threads that were waiting.

Whatever Bigdogg
Nov 3, 2011 12:02pm
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Nov 7, 2011 1:50 AM
Bigdogg;956269 wrote:Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.

I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
I'm ok with our state reps protecting us from BIG government mandating things that shouldn't be mandated and effectively stripping us of our freedom of choice.
Nov 7, 2011 1:50am
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Nov 7, 2011 6:54 AM
I will be voting YES on Issue III

ISSUE I II III ... VOTE YES
Nov 7, 2011 6:54am
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Nov 7, 2011 12:25 PM
FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)

Ballotpedia doesn't do too bad of a job with it in terms of a quick summary. I think they link to the ballot language too.

I read something in the Dispatch where this is one of very few, if not the only time where all 8 "major daily" Ohio newspapers came to a consensus in their endorsements, all saying to vote no.

EDIT: it is the first time ever
“Never in modern political history have all major daily newspapers in Ohio spoken with one voice on a controversial ballot initiative,”
Nov 7, 2011 12:25pm
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Nov 8, 2011 10:28 AM
Bigdogg;956269 wrote:I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.

Maybe you should quit believing that government has, or should have, the answers .... it is the problem.

And Issue 3 appears to be a victory for individual liberty and less government intrusion--- good.
Nov 8, 2011 10:28am
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Nov 8, 2011 10:58 AM
Belly35;961699 wrote:I will be voting YES on Issue III

ISSUE I II III ... VOTE YES
Why yes on issue I? I don't want some old fogie judges hanging around longer than they need to. I would rather it be lowered.
Nov 8, 2011 10:58am
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Nov 8, 2011 11:47 AM
OneBuckeye;963354 wrote:Why yes on issue I? I don't want some old fogie judges hanging around longer than they need to. I would rather it be lowered.
And what's up with the limiting the states ability to create other courts? .... Something is fishy here.
Nov 8, 2011 11:47am
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thePITman

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Nov 8, 2011 1:00 PM
I voted YES on Issues 2 & 3.
Nov 8, 2011 1:00pm
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bigdaddy2003

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Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM
I too voted YES on issues 2 and 3.
Nov 8, 2011 1:09pm