Cleveland Indians Hot Stove---2011-2012

Home ▸ Archive ▸ Pro Sports ▸ Cleveland Indians Hot Stove---2011-2012
royal_k's avatar

royal_k

Senior Member

4,423 posts
Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM
lhslep134;1051223 wrote:Doesn't he have to sit out 50 games?
Yeah...that's the biggest drawback. But if he can still hit.....
Jan 13, 2012 2:55pm
wildcats20's avatar

wildcats20

In ROY I Trust!!

27,794 posts
Jan 13, 2012 2:55 PM
lhslep134;1051223 wrote:Doesn't he have to sit out 50 games?
Yeah.
Jan 13, 2012 2:55pm
Mulva's avatar

Mulva

Senior Member

13,650 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM
Al Bundy;1051203 wrote:Once upon a time, the tribe had an owner who was willing to pay a salaray to field a good team. http://www.stlsports.com/articles/ja.mlbsalaries.html
$8 million team salary for Montreal in 1998. That's impressive.

I'd take the ManRam back. Sitting 50 games might not be a bad thing, because it will allow him to be fresher at the end of the year. Also 50 games is probably right around the time Hafner will go down with a season ending injury, so he'd be able to step right in at DH. He's not in a position to be commanding anything, so why not offer him a small deal and take a shot?
Jan 13, 2012 3:00pm
royal_k's avatar

royal_k

Senior Member

4,423 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:01 PM
Mulva;1051241 wrote:$8 million team salary for Montreal in 1998. That's impressive.

I'd take the ManRam back. Sitting 50 games might not be a bad thing, because it will allow him to be fresher at the end of the year. Also 50 games is probably right around the time Hafner will go down with a season ending injury, so he'd be able to step right in at DH. He's not in a position to be commanding anything, so why not offer him a small deal and take a shot?
reps
Jan 13, 2012 3:01pm
Wooball's avatar

Wooball

Senior Member

1,325 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM
I agree w/ Mulva. I'd take a shot on ManRam. Let him sit 50 games when the weather in Cleveland still blows. He can stay in Arizona and get in shape where the weather is nice and avoid blowing out a hammy playing in the snow and 30-40 degree winds of Cleveland in April/early May. Come back end of May/early June when Sizemore and Pronk have broken down and hopefully he hits, like he has his entire career. I know the production has been down for him lately, but even if you can get him to focus for about a year and a half it would be worth it. I can't imagine anyone giving him a big deal, I could see Manny wanting to come back to Cleveland. Worse case, you sign him to a very affordable contract, he sells some tickets for when he returns (a la Thome), he blows and you let him go.
Jan 13, 2012 3:22pm
wildcats20's avatar

wildcats20

In ROY I Trust!!

27,794 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM
Wooball;1051288 wrote:I agree w/ Mulva. I'd take a shot on ManRam. Let him sit 50 games when the weather in Cleveland still blows. He can stay in Arizona and get in shape where the weather is nice and avoid blowing out a hammy playing in the snow and 30-40 degree winds of Cleveland in April/early May. Come back end of May/early June when Sizemore and Pronk have broken down and hopefully he hits, like he has his entire career. I know the production has been down for him lately, but even if you can get him to focus for about a year and a half it would be worth it. I can't imagine anyone giving him a big deal, I could see Manny wanting to come back to Cleveland. Worse case, you sign him to a very affordable contract, he sells some tickets for when he returns (a la Thome), he blows and you let him go.
It seems, based on the ESPN piece I saw earlier, that he is taking this "comeback" seriously. Hitting and working out a lot.

I agree with you guys, worth a shot.
Jan 13, 2012 3:29pm
Crimson streak's avatar

Crimson streak

Senior Member

9,002 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM
When he is motivated he is a top 3 hitter in all of baseball he might be in the decline but he's still a solid hitter. I would take him in a second
Jan 13, 2012 3:45pm
Mulva's avatar

Mulva

Senior Member

13,650 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:50 PM
Worst case scenario is that it doesn't work out, he retires again, and we all chuckle say "Oh Manny", because it's pretty much what everyone expected to begin with.
Jan 13, 2012 3:50pm
wes_mantooth's avatar

wes_mantooth

Tomfoolery & shenanigans

17,977 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM
Never happen but it would be awesome to have him back
Jan 13, 2012 3:53pm
HitsRus's avatar

HitsRus

Senior Member

9,206 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM
Worst case scenario is that it doesn't work out, he retires again, and we all chuckle say "Oh Manny", because it's pretty much what everyone expected to begin with.
I think you need to consider what he would do to the clubhouse chemistry too...I'm not in a poisition to judge that.
Jan 13, 2012 3:57pm
TBone14's avatar

TBone14

Senior Member

6,383 posts
Jan 13, 2012 3:59 PM
Buster Olney says Tribe in "great position" to land a 1st baseman.

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney



CLE in a great position to get a good first baseman for something in $6m-$9 range--Kotchman or Pena, or maybe leftover from Fielder signing


Kotchman doesn't hit for much power but a great average and on base all the time. I like him. I don't care for Pena. Sure I would like to add some pop but this team already breaks records for strikeouts. Can we really take any more of that?

EDIT: Looked up Kotchman's career numbers. Last year was a career high for him batting average wise at .306 and also OBP at .378. Career numbers around .268 and .336. Highest home run total was like 15. Pass on both him and Pena.
Jan 13, 2012 3:59pm
Crimson streak's avatar

Crimson streak

Senior Member

9,002 posts
Jan 13, 2012 4:18 PM
I can see Santana having an all star type year. His avg should go up so should the hrs and rbis. I honestly wouldn't mind marson starting the year at catcher if we don't sign a first baseman and just play Santana at first with occasional days catching
Jan 13, 2012 4:18pm
grodt's avatar

grodt

Senior Member

1,588 posts
Jan 13, 2012 4:37 PM
From Jordan Bastian:

Indians GM Antonetti shot down the idea of a Manny Ramirez reunion. Said it's "not the best positional fit. ... And we already have a DH."
Jan 13, 2012 4:37pm
hoops23's avatar

hoops23

Senior Member

15,696 posts
Jan 13, 2012 6:46 PM
I'd probably prefer Pena over Kotchman after looking at the #'s...

I don't know if Kotchman will bat over .300 again and his #'s aren't all that great.

Pena may not do a lot else, but he does hit homeruns. I think batting him in between Choo and Santana would allow him to get some good pitches.

Choo and Santana should have great OBP's this year.
Jan 13, 2012 6:46pm
OQB's avatar

OQB

Senior Member

6,679 posts
Jan 13, 2012 8:54 PM
Indians Named Adam Everett special assistant to baseball operations.....
Jan 13, 2012 8:54pm
Laley23's avatar

Laley23

GOAT

29,506 posts
Jan 13, 2012 10:26 PM
Pena would be great. He would probably hit 30+ in Cleveland, imo. He strikes out a TON, but he is a pretty clutch hitter and can get hot enough to win you a good 7 games by himself throughout the year in like 4 different week long stretches.
Jan 13, 2012 10:26pm
Azubuike24's avatar

Azubuike24

Senior Member

15,933 posts
Jan 13, 2012 10:32 PM
The problem with Carlos Pena is he might literally hit .190. In 600 at-bats. Look at the last time he played full-time in the AL. Ouch.

That said, he's a fantastic defensive player, albeit at first base.
Jan 13, 2012 10:32pm
hoops23's avatar

hoops23

Senior Member

15,696 posts
Jan 14, 2012 1:33 AM
Tribe 1 of 6 teams interested in Yoenis Cespedes

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7459626/yoenis-cespedes-says-six-mlb-teams-shown-interest
The 26-year-old outfielder, who bats right-handed, averaged at least .323 in each of his last four seasons in Cuba and established a league record with 33 home runs in 2010-11.
Jan 14, 2012 1:33am
HitsRus's avatar

HitsRus

Senior Member

9,206 posts
Jan 14, 2012 2:00 PM
I don't know if Kotchman will bat over .300 again and his #'s aren't all that great.
I don't see him as much of an upgrade over LaPorta, at least offensively. Certainly not enough that I'd want to spend anything significant on him.


Cespedes would be a good addition, but maybe not at the $$$ he(or Scott Boras) is wanting. In the hunt for him are both the Tigers and Marlins...both of which could/would outspend the Indians.
Jan 14, 2012 2:00pm
like_that's avatar

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

26,625 posts
Jan 17, 2012 6:27 PM
Is this the big move Dolan was speaking of? http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7472150/victor-martinez-detroit-tigers-tears-acl-likely-needs-season-ending-surgery

Addition by subtraction. Anxiously waiting the "Verlander to have tommy john surgery" story to appear.

Seriously though, this can't hurt the Tribe's chances of winning a division at least. Miguel won't have any protection around the plate.
Jan 17, 2012 6:27pm
grodt's avatar

grodt

Senior Member

1,588 posts
Jan 17, 2012 6:55 PM
As much as I like V-Mart as a player I can't say I'm upset about our toughest competitor being weakened. Of course now they might swoop in and steal Pena from us.
Jan 17, 2012 6:55pm
HitsRus's avatar

HitsRus

Senior Member

9,206 posts
Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM
There in the hunt for Cespedes, too. The injury to V-Mart may a move like this more likely.
Jan 17, 2012 7:05pm
TBone14's avatar

TBone14

Senior Member

6,383 posts
Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM
As much as I hate the Tigers...and trust me, especially living in NW Ohio, I hate the Tigers. I can never root against Victor and I am disappointed that he is hurt. Baseball fans have been robbed of a season by one of the best hitters in the game.

One of my favorite players of all-time and top 5 favorite Indians. Wish him a full and speedy recovery.
Jan 18, 2012 12:34pm
royal_k's avatar

royal_k

Senior Member

4,423 posts
Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM
TBone14;1057214 wrote:As much as I hate the Tigers...and trust me, especially living in NW Ohio, I hate the Tigers. I can never root against Victor and I am disappointed that he is hurt. Baseball fans have been robbed of a season by one of the best hitters in the game.

One of my favorite players of all-time and top 5 favorite Indians. Wish him a full and speedy recovery.
Reps

One of my favorites as well. And I am also from NW Ohio where there are way too many Kitty fans:mad:
Jan 18, 2012 1:26pm
like_that's avatar

like_that

1st Team All-PWN

26,625 posts
Jan 18, 2012 5:40 PM
TBone14;1057214 wrote:As much as I hate the Tigers...and trust me, especially living in NW Ohio, I hate the Tigers. I can never root against Victor and I am disappointed that he is hurt. Baseball fans have been robbed of a season by one of the best hitters in the game.

One of my favorite players of all-time and top 5 favorite Indians. Wish him a full and speedy recovery.
I'm with you there. Hard to hate vmart, although it kills me to see him in a Tigers uniform, and it killed me even worse when he was in a BoSox uniform.
Jan 18, 2012 5:40pm