I Wear Pants;1016543 wrote:Yes.

Are you seriously ****ing arguing that a few days training from some TSA douche is comparable to a year of schooling and a state exam?

I Wear Pants;1016543 wrote:Yes.

Are you seriously fucking arguing that a few days training from some TSA douche is comparable to a year of schooling and a state exam?

fish82;1016799 wrote:Why are you two arguing how much training is needed to push a farking button for 5 seconds?

I Wear Pants;1016790 wrote:"The DOJ found that over a two year period, officers committed civil rights violations in one out of every five of the 500 to 600 incidents a year where officers used force."

http://publicola.com/2011/12/15/department-of-justice-to-hammer-seattle-police-for-use-of-force/

Glory Days;1016812 wrote:wrong thread? either way, this is interesting "the DOJ has refused to provide police with data on how they came up with their results. The DOJ has also refused to provide data to back up their findings, unless the city enters into legal arbitration with the justice department."

I Wear Pants;1017157 wrote:Yes wrong thread. And I had missed that part. That seems silly. They should obviously release the data because if this is a true thing it's quite damning.

TL;DR: Transparency is never bad with this sort of thing.

tk421;1024702 wrote:Apparently the U.S. is the only country that doesn't get that. Too much money to line pockets to get rid of the scanners and the TSA now. Europe has banned them, and get this, no planes falling from the skies because of all the bombs. They can keep their shoes on and don't get "pat" down or irradiated, and the planes stay in the sky. I guess it's only the U.S. that has this issue with "terrorists".

Glory Days;1024794 wrote:Both the shoe bomber and underwear bomber boarded planes in Europe headed to the US. do you even look anything up before you speak?

tk421;1024996 wrote:And how did those work out? So, two isolated incidences in 10 years and everyone in this country suffers for it. What does that have to do with our security and getting cancer? The scanners don't work, period. You can look up all the information you want, they don't work. It's security theater, plain and simple. You go right on believing that the government is "protecting" you from the big bad bogeyman.

http://www.propublica.org/article/just-how-good-are-the-tsas-body-scanners

And in Buffalo recently, a passenger who was caught with a ceramic knife [8] after a pat-down admitted that he had opted out of the scanner because he figured it would find the knife.

Two homeland security officials, who asked not be identified speaking about vulnerabilities, said recent intelligence that terrorists are considering implanting explosives [9] inside their bodies shows that the scanners are forcing would-be suicide bombers to adapt their methods. The body scanners see only underneath clothing, not inside the body. Carrying out an attack with an implanted weapon, the officials said, would be technically more difficult than if an attacker had a bomb strapped to their chest.

Prompted by an outcry over the graphic images the body scanners produce, the TSA began installing privacy software [13] on all of its millimeter-wave machines this summer. Instead of creating an image of the passenger's body, the machines now display a generic outline of a human body with potential threats highlighted by yellow boxes.

tk421;1025065 wrote:Here you go Glory Days, sleep easy now the TSA are on the job. Clearly the billions and billions of dollars were well spent. Now the American public can rest easy and travel knowing that the dangers of red velvet cupcakes are taken care of. God Bless the TSA. :rolleyes:

http://boingboing.net/2011/12/22/tsa-confiscates-cupcake-calls.html

The TSA has spent more than $100 million on the body scanners and plans to spend hundreds of millions of dollars more as it outfits nearly every airport security lane with a scanner by 2014.

tk421;1025120 wrote:http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/12/tsa-insanity-201112

Here's a thought for all you would be holiday travelers. When you are standing in the crowded security lines, look around you and hope someone doesn't detonate a bomb before the TSA security. I've said it before, and I'm not the only one, the most dangerous place in an airport is the security line. Let's jam everyone up into a small area and create a choke point, that's a good idea. If anyone attacks an airport again, I bet it will be before they even go through the useless TSA security. Happy travels.

tk421;1025133 wrote:lol, so your whole argument is that we are spending billions and billions of dollars to force the terrorists to adapt to techniques we can't even stop? If they implant explosives, nothing at the TSA will catch that. Good idea, that sounds like a plan.

Also, I don't give a shit about privacy on the MMW machines. I'm talking about the fucking backscatter X Ray machines, the ones that will give you cancer. Putting privacy filters isn't going to stop your DNA from being screwed up.

tk421;1025140 wrote:lol, you go right on being a fucking sheep. I'm done arguing with you. Clearly nothing will every penetrate your brain, you think everything the government is doing is for your "protection".

I Wear Pants;1026750 wrote:Facts like we are no more safe because of these methods, have spent billions of dollars on them, are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation, and everyone suffers because of it. Who's winning in this scenario? Us or the ever elusive and absurdly vague "the terrorists?"

I Wear Pants;1027111 wrote:We have spent billions, we are arguably getting harmful doses of radiation (arguably being the word that makes it a fact).