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Jawbreaker
Posts: 520
Oct 18, 2011 2:17pm
At least the Browns did something right this year. They paved the way for this Palmer trade. Thanks.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 18, 2011 2:26pm
You are focusing way too much on the beer drinking comment. Look at yoru 2nd paragraph and focus on that. That amongst other reasons (i.e. he is not that good) is why throwing 2 first rd picks for him is a joke, and why he is not going to be able to perform to the level the delusional Raiders front office thinks he will.karen lotz;937816 wrote:I'm willing to bet that a lot of players go out and have a beer during the season. They do live lives. I don't know the intensity of his training, but saying he wasn't training hard because he was seen tailgating makes no sense at all. Maybe he trains 6 days a week and that game day was his one off day. Maybe he worked out at 6 in the morning before heading down to the game? You don't have any idea what his training was like.
I'm sure he will have some missteps with the Raiders. Was he supposed to know that's where he was going to play and then learn their playbook and terminology by watching games on TV? How was he supposed to be 100% mentally prepared to step into every team in the league's huddle and not miss a beat?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Oct 18, 2011 2:41pm
Oh I absolutely agree that possibly 2 first round picks is a joke. I don't think he is going to come in and throw his hat into the MVP race by any means, but as soon as he gets even a small grasp of Oakland's playbook, he will be a better option than Boller and Pryor. If you were strictly commenting on his value versus what the Bengals got, then yeah I'd agree. I think he is as prepared physically and mentally as he can be.like_that;937822 wrote:You are focusing way too much on the beer drinking comment. Look at yoru 2nd paragraph and focus on that. That amongst other reasons (i.e. he is not that good) is why throwing 2 first rd picks for him is a joke, and why he is not going to be able to perform to the level the delusional Raiders front office thinks he will.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 18, 2011 3:27pm
Yeah and how'd training camp go for Brett Favre when he led the Jets to an 8-3 start before getting hurt or the following year when he again missed training camp and led the Vikings to the brink of a Super Bowl appearance?like_that;937805 wrote:Ask Darelle Revis and Chris Johnson (check wikipedia to see who they are) how holding out from training camp worked out for them.
It's different for a veteran QB than it is for a RB or DB, and that's even if he wasn't staying in shape.
Hard to imagine that someone who makes fun of someone else for "not knowing football" can turn around in the same post and talk about the lack of training camp when the most relevant example position wise was able to be successful without it.
Generally missing training camp is never going to help, but in the case of quarterbacks, it doesn't seem to hurt as much as it would for either a DB or RB.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 18, 2011 3:59pm
I was being sarcastic lol.Automatik;937696 wrote:Who actually had faith in him? I'd say he's 2-3 years out from doing anything significant in the NFL.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Oct 18, 2011 4:31pm
Agree 100%. Nobody thinks the first in 2012 and second in 2013 is worth it, but he's far better than any other alternative and they actually have a shot at the playoffs this year, so it makes sense why they jumped at it, even as ridiculous as it might be.karen lotz;937831 wrote:Oh I absolutely agree that possibly 2 first round picks is a joke. I don't think he is going to come in and throw his hat into the MVP race by any means, but as soon as he gets even a small grasp of Oakland's playbook, he will be a better option than Boller and Pryor. If you were strictly commenting on his value versus what the Bengals got, then yeah I'd agree. I think he is as prepared physically and mentally as he can be.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Oct 18, 2011 4:48pm
i thought al davis was dead? the raiders are dumber than i thought.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Oct 18, 2011 4:54pm
I didnt retract it because I think it was stupid, I retracted it because Alex Smith has proved me wrong. Well really, Harbaugh has proven me wrong by putting Smith in situations that make it hard for him to fail. Im also not afraid to admit i'm wrong like 95% of the OC is.Iliketurtles;937810 wrote:Cool you retracted it now that you realized it was a stupid statement doesn't make any difference that for monthly you admently said Troy Smith should be starting in the NFL. I will agree with you though that I never saw you say anything about TP playing/starting in the NFL.
Bases Loaded- I forgot about that one I still don't think its as bad as the Walker one.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Oct 18, 2011 4:59pm
Pick6;937899 wrote:herp a derp i'm a dumbass
yes, we know
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Oct 18, 2011 5:01pm
like_that;937805 wrote:Ask Darelle Revis and Chris Johnson (check wikipedia to see who they are) how holding out from training camp worked out for them.
I know you don't know anything about football, so i will explain this to you so it doesn't go over your head.
Both players held out from training camp. CJ is having a hard time getting it going this year. Revis last year had hamstring issues early in the year, and the Jets defense was not as strong early in the year because of it. This is all just from holding out from 4-5 weeks of training camp. Carson Palmer missed training camp and also the first 6 weeks of the NFL season. Does that make sense to you now? Probably not, I wouldn't expect a simple minded idiot to understand that. Heck, I will be shocked if you were capable of even reading this far.
I asked then 39 yr old Brett Favre how not going to training camp in 2009 worked out for him and he said he had one of the best the years of his career in 2009-10 and maybe the best for a QB in Minnesota history.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 18, 2011 5:08pm
Wasnt there always reports of him working out at a local high school throwing passes and such?
Forget, did he get into any preseason games at all that year?
To expect that CP will be able to step in and contribute quickly is a bit of a stretch I think.
Forget, did he get into any preseason games at all that year?
To expect that CP will be able to step in and contribute quickly is a bit of a stretch I think.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Oct 18, 2011 5:11pm
thats like comparing apples to oranges. favre is one of the best qbs to ever play the game, palmer is a scrub that quit on his teamSkyhook79;937908 wrote:I asked then 39 yr old Brett Favre how not going to training camp in 2009 worked out for him and he said he had the best the year of his career in 2009-10 and maybe the best for a QB in Minnesota history.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Oct 18, 2011 5:13pm
Palmer threw 20 interceptions last year, he needs all the practice he can get. Oh, and why is he has coming back anyways, I though he had 80 mill in the bank lol
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 18, 2011 5:18pm
This has got to be the biggest trade rape in NFL history.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Oct 18, 2011 5:23pm
and Mike Brown said he wouldn't trade Palmer and reward him. Palmer said he had 80 million in the bank and didn't need to play just to make money but would play in another place for the love of the game, just not ever again in Cincy.stroups;937923 wrote:Palmer threw 20 interceptions last year, he needs all the practice he can get. Oh, and why is he has coming back anyways, I though he had 80 mill in the bank lol
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Oct 18, 2011 5:26pm
How soon until it is announced the Raiders sign Jordan Palmer as a backup QB? :laugh::laugh:
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Oct 18, 2011 5:31pm
The Bengals may have 3 1st round picks next year but no way does cheapskate Brown pay 3 rookies 1st round money. He would be smart to trade down with 2 of them and get more picks.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Oct 18, 2011 5:44pm
Unless I am missing something I only count 2; their own pick and the one they got from the raiders
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Oct 18, 2011 5:48pm
Oakland's 2012 draft now:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
WOW
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
WOW
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Oct 18, 2011 5:53pm
It's only two and the NFL now has a salary schedule for rookies, I believe. It's not going to be the free for all financially that it has been in the past. At least that's the reasons for passing it in the first place.Skyhook79;937938 wrote:The Bengals may have 3 1st round picks next year but no way does cheapskate Brown pay 3 rookies 1st round money. He would be smart to trade down with 2 of them and get more picks.
I hope Oakland enjoyed the ass rape -- because that's what this deal is. They've thrown away this year's draft on Palmer and Pryor, and a decent part of next year's on Palmer.
That franchise isn't deep enough to be able to afford to do that -- at least not from what I saw last Sunday.
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Oct 18, 2011 5:56pm
The Bengals will have 8 picks in the first three rounds of the 2012 & 2013 draft and a rookie wage scale
2012
1)
1)
2)
3)
2013
1)
1 or 2)
2)
3)
2012
1)
1)
2)
3)
2013
1)
1 or 2)
2)
3)
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Oct 18, 2011 6:22pm
How many picks do the Raiders have next year? First rounder is gone, they burnt a third rounder on Pryor, and wasn't the main reason they went after Pryor so early that they already didn't have a 4th and/or 5th rounder (Seymour trade perhaps)?
EDIT: never mind, just saw the post above
EDIT: never mind, just saw the post above
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 18, 2011 6:28pm
1st round money is a hell of a lot less than it used to be with the rookie wage scale.Skyhook79;937938 wrote:The Bengals may have 3 1st round picks next year but no way does cheapskate Brown pay 3 rookies 1st round money.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Oct 18, 2011 6:44pm
Before anyone gets too many giggles from their draft board, I would like to remind everyone they lost 3 players in this past summer's free agency frenzy that are worthy of compensatory picks in the 2012 draft. The players: Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Gallery, and Zach Miller. While none will likely be 1st rounders, they will receive a high pick for the Nnamdi loss and likely mid-rounders for the other 2. I know it's easy to bash 'em, but they do have some bullets left.stroups;937953 wrote:Oakland's 2012 draft now:
1st round- QB Carson Palmer trade(TO CIN)
2nd round- Traded to the Pats in 2011 NFL Draft trade
3rd round- QB Terrelle Pryor selection
4th round- QB Jason Campbell trade(TO WSH)
5th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
7th round- LB Aaron Curry trade(TO SEA)
WOW
Carry on with the bash-a-palooza.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 18, 2011 8:32pm
Skyhook79;937908 wrote:I asked then 39 yr old Brett Favre how not going to training camp in 2009 worked out for him and he said he had one of the best the years of his career in 2009-10 and maybe the best for a QB in Minnesota history.
How did Favre's last year work out. Also lol at comparing a HOF QB to a serviceable QB (post injuries) at best. Favre also did get some training camp in, and he also didn't miss the first 6 weeks of the regular season. Nice try, but nice fail.
There is a rookie payscale. SMH please for your own sake stop trying to talk about the NFL.Skyhook79;937938 wrote:The Bengals may have 3 1st round picks next year but no way does cheapskate Brown pay 3 rookies 1st round money. He would be smart to trade down with 2 of them and get more picks.
Sorry giving up a first rounder and a 2nd rounder at worst is a horrible trade for carson palmer, no matter how you spin it.BGFalcons82;938012 wrote:Before anyone gets too many giggles from their draft board, I would like to remind everyone they lost 3 players in this past summer's free agency frenzy that are worthy of compensatory picks in the 2012 draft. The players: Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Gallery, and Zach Miller. While none will likely be 1st rounders, they will receive a high pick for the Nnamdi loss and likely mid-rounders for the other 2. I know it's easy to bash 'em, but they do have some bullets left.
Carry on with the bash-a-palooza.