reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 21, 2012 11:17pm
Agreed that if Syracuse wins out, including the Big East tourney, that the Orangemen would have the nod as the number one overall. I don't think they are going to do that. They still have games at UConn (never easy and a rivalry game) and against top 15 Louisville, on top of the aforementioned Big East Tournament in New York. With as many good teams as there are in the conference, it's anybody's dance in MSG.Tiger2003;1092580 wrote:Negative. If the Cuse win out they will be the No. 1 overall seed.
Kentucky's only real test left in the regular season is at Florida. I think they win there and then sweep their way to an SEC tourney championship.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 21, 2012 11:17pm
Stansbury just doesn't coach discipline, pretty much
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 21, 2012 11:17pm
Yeah if UK wins out they will be the overall 1.
Even if they lose, they still could get it. Depending on when and to who.
Even if they lose, they still could get it. Depending on when and to who.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:17pm
Nice comeback. If UK wins out, they are no doubt the #1 overall seed. Their wins (and losses) would be better than Syracuse.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Feb 21, 2012 11:17pm
I think the #1's end up being UK, Syracuse, Duke/UNC, and Kansas/MSU.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 21, 2012 11:18pm
Id think UK would be #1 overall. They lost on the road in the (to date) toughest environment of the year...and it took a buzzer beater 3 to do it.
They are blowing people out of the water this year.
They are blowing people out of the water this year.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 21, 2012 11:18pm
GOONx19;1092586 wrote:What makes you think this? Syracuse lost January 21st, Kentucky hasn't lost since December. With even records right now, UK got 94 out of 96 votes between the two polls, and has for 5 straight weeks.
I'm not the only person that thinks that way. Just because you are #1 in the polls doesn't mean you get the No. 1 overall seed.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Feb 21, 2012 11:19pm
GOONx19;1092594 wrote:I think the #1's end up being UK, Syracuse, Duke/UNC, and Kansas/MSU.
^ In that case, I'd lean towards MSU getting it, and I'd fear Kansas being in UK's bracket more than anyone else.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Feb 21, 2012 11:20pm
If UK wins out they're no doubt the #1 overall. I don't see how anyone could put Syracuse over them.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 21, 2012 11:20pm
Don't get me wrong. UK is a very good team. But if the Cuse win out they will get the nod as the No. 1 overall. No knock to Kentucky just how I think it will happen.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 21, 2012 11:21pm
Kansas isn't losing again, so they'll be a #1
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 21, 2012 11:21pm
I'm actually thinking that may be what kills their chances at the #1 overall, not their fault the rest of the league isn't real good but the 'Cuse has had a tougher road without question. You may be right but I'm not so sure.reclegend22;1092589 wrote:
Kentucky's only real test left in the regular season is at Florida. I think they win there and then sweep their way to an SEC tourney championship.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:21pm
Kentucky has 6 wins over the top 50, including 2 over Kansas and North Carolina. They would have also beaten Florida twice (possibly 3 times in the SEC Tournament). They also beat Louisville.
Syracuse has 7 wins against the top 50. Florida (who UK also beat), Louisville (who UK also beat), Marquette, Seton Hall, Connecticut, West Virginia and Georgetown.
Both teams have 2 top 50 opponents left plus the conference Tournament.
Syracuse has 7 wins against the top 50. Florida (who UK also beat), Louisville (who UK also beat), Marquette, Seton Hall, Connecticut, West Virginia and Georgetown.
Both teams have 2 top 50 opponents left plus the conference Tournament.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 21, 2012 11:23pm
But why? Also, that many first place votes is indicitive of how the selection comittee would also vote.Tiger2003;1092600 wrote:Don't get me wrong. UK is a very good team. But if the Cuse win out they will get the nod as the No. 1 overall. No knock to Kentucky just how I think it will happen.
I mean, nothing on Syracuses resume will say they are more deserving that UK, imo.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:23pm
Kansas hosts Mizzou and the St. Louis Regional just opened up for the Jayhawks if they win out. That could be amazingly favorable for them...a lot at stake.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 21, 2012 11:24pm
Azubuike24;1092603 wrote:Kentucky has 6 wins over the top 50, including 2 over Kansas and North Carolina. They would have also beaten Florida twice (possibly 3 times in the SEC Tournament). They also beat Louisville.
Syracuse has 7 wins against the top 50. Florida (who UK also beat), Louisville (who UK also beat), Marquette, Seton Hall, Connecticut, West Virginia and Georgetown.
Both teams have 2 top 50 opponents left plus the conference Tournament.
This. Are we all forgetting who UK played in the OOC schedule? UK has the better resume.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 21, 2012 11:25pm
I just think they are the better team and playing in a better conference. They will have more wins vs the Top 50.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Feb 21, 2012 11:26pm
If both win out, it will be close call between UK and Syracuse. Either would be more than deserving in that scenario. However, since I don't believe that the Orangemen will win six straight games to end the season -- this is because I think the Big East Tournament is too wide open and there are going to be some very hungry teams out with a vengeance for the 'Cuse to spoil their tournament title -- I think UK will get it outright.
The national tournament is going to be wild.
The national tournament is going to be wild.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 21, 2012 11:29pm
I guess. But by 1. UK has the two better wins, by far. UNC and Kansas.Tiger2003;1092608 wrote:I just think they are the better team and playing in a better conference. They will have more wins vs the Top 50.
Their lone loss? ND vs IU? IU is the better loss based on venue and the fact that on a neutral court IU beat ND by double digits.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:30pm
It's perception that the Big East is great. This year, it sucks. Now, compared to other years, "sucks" is a fair word. It's a deep league, but it also has 16 teams. Look at the Big East, out of conference, and they aren't very strong in-terms of wins.Laley23;1092604 wrote:But why? Also, that many first place votes is indicitive of how the selection comittee would also vote.
I mean, nothing on Syracuses resume will say they are more deserving that UK, imo.
Syracuse - Florida
Marquette - Wisconsin
Georgetown - Alabama, Memphis
Louisville - Memphis
West Virginia - Kansas State, Miami
Connecticut - Florida State, Harvard
Seton Hall - VCU
Rutgers - Florida
That, it its entirety, is the quality wins for the Big East out of conference. Every league outside of the Pac 12, and possibly even the Mountain West has more, and all of them have at least 4 less teams.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:30pm
It's perception. This year it simply isn't the truth. I won't call it "East Coast Bias", but the numbers don't lie.Tiger2003;1092608 wrote:I just think they are the better team and playing in a better conference. They will have more wins vs the Top 50.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 21, 2012 11:32pm
But that's the perception that needs to be overcome with an east coast bias, I know it "sucks" reletively but that's not how it will be viewed imo.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:33pm
The SEC has 16 "quality" OOC wins, and I'll bet that's 4th out of 6 in the power leagues. The B1G and Big XII clearly have more without even counting. ACC would be close.
Tiger2003
Posts: 15,421
Feb 21, 2012 11:34pm
Azubuike24;1092620 wrote:It's perception. This year it simply isn't the truth. I won't call it "East Coast Bias", but the numbers don't lie.
You are right numbers don't lie.
5>2
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Feb 21, 2012 11:35pm
In general, yes. However, the UK brand and resume will separate them from conference affiliation. Same as it would for Duke, UNC or Kansas.ytownfootball;1092625 wrote:But that's the perception that needs to be overcome with an east coast bias, I know it "sucks" reletively but that's not how it will be viewed imo.
However, we are all assuming that teams win out. Everyone this year has been vulnerable and honestly anyone in the top 40 can win a given game, or around that many teams.
Fun discussion, though.