Tobias Fünke;921147 wrote:Notre Dame's players go there because they know that when they graduate they'll be making $100,000+/year due to their degree.

2kool4skool;921268 wrote:lol

karen lotz;921273 wrote:Not the first year out of college, but the mid career median salary for a Notre Dame grad is $121,000.

Hb31187;921276 wrote:Yeah i believe most normal students make 6 figures with a ND degree. With the degree that most football players get though...id say 6 figures isnt exactly guaranteed

Manhattan Buckeye;921275 wrote:Assuming they are employed.

Notre Dame has a strong alumni network. I'll give it that. But these stats are absolute bull-hockey, they always have been. Universities have been lying about these numbers for over a decade. I graduated law school in the height of the economic growth, and my alma mater lied about the number of people employed and their salaries. It wasn't 99% (closer to 85%), and the starting salary was about 30% less than the "average" (which is what one received if they lived in New York or DC).

Today, I'm guessing 70% employment at best, with reduced salaries....not just inflation-adjusted but reduced salaries.

karen lotz;921277 wrote:Which degree that most football players get are you referring to?

karen lotz;921278 wrote:Wouldn't that make the alumni network even that more important?

Care to tell me what major infraction Vanderbilt has had, other than ensure their athletes go to class and graduate and have among the highest SAT scores of any program?

Writerbuckeye;921232 wrote:The self reporting is in how the NCAA got this information to begin with -- and probably since. I'm sure as OSU has gone through paperwork and e-mails, they've uncovered some of this crap. I doubt very much the NCAA has done all the legwork; it's not what they do in most of these cases. They have the schools provide the documents and then they verify stuff and accept it or they don't.

By the way, Columbus has two major league teams: An NHL franchise and a major league soccer team. Now, while I don't particularly think soccer is major league, there's a lot of people (and cities) that disagree. There is no disputing the NHL is major league, though. Do you know nothing about Columbus?

As far as reinstatement goes: I'd prefer they just boot the repeat offenders off the team and move forward, but it's not my call. Just another example of how Gene Smith has not done things the right way in much of this fiasco. I'm sure it will all be part of the reasons given when he's forced to resign or retire after the final NCAA rulings come out.

thedynasty1998;921345 wrote:I know 3 ND alums personally. One is my uncle who probably makes $600,000 a year. One is the head of game day entertainment for the Blue Jackets who I'm assuming makes a max of $80,000. A third works in state government and makes a max of $60,000.

The mean is about $240,000. So it's easy to see how numbers can be skewed. Although I'm sure that ND grads make more money on average I wouldn't necessarily credit their alumni base, because schools like OSU and Michigan may have an advantage in that regard.

thedynasty1998;921344 wrote:There is no evidence that OSU self reported prior to Yahoo requesting information. And how ironic that new allegations come out after the Ohio AD said OSU had to release emails.

And yes I know who the pro teams are in Columbus. The Blue Jackets needed the county to bail them out. I'm a sports fan and couldn't name 3 players on their team, let alone identify them if they walked down the street. OSU players are the ones with the notoriety and recognition.

vball10set;921338 wrote:I love listening to subway alumni extoll the virtues of "their school" :rolleyes:

Anyway, as mentioned hundreds of times before, the proverbial can of worms was opened last winter, and OSU will be under the microscope until the parasitic NCAA finds another warm body to feed on. Coach Tressel, the guilty players, Gene Smith, et al brought this on themselves, and The OSU will have to weather the storm until it passes on....GO BUCKS!!!

Writerbuckeye;921359 wrote:It was documented on other sites that OSU had reported to the NCAA long before Yahoo came out with its story. All the Yahoo story did was push forward the public release of information.

The Yahoo Story came out on March 7th. Here is a c&p from a summary of events related to that release of information...

The NCAA was reportedly notified of the situation on February 3rd and sent special investigators to the University on February 8th. It is obvious that the University did everything they needed to by NCAA bylaws to solve this problem as quickly as possible.

http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/03/tresser-presser/

Here's a copy of the USA Today version that says the same thing...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/03/ohio-state-jim-tressel-yahoo-sports-player-suspensions/1

FatHobbit;921374 wrote:Has anyone read or heard if these summer jobs were in 2011 or a different year?

karen lotz;921365 wrote:I'm pretty sure you have said you went to Toledo. You are essentially a subway alum of Ohio State.


Just sayin' :thumbup::huh:

stroups;921014 wrote:I think the NCAA is missing the obvious....Bollman got paid for not showing up to work last Saturday, why isn't he suspended for the Nebraska game?

karen lotz;921375 wrote:Do those links say when Yahoo requested information? Yahoo investigated Shapiro and Miami for what, 11 months? Its safe to assume they didn't start requesting information on March 6th. I'd venture a guess that they started digging close to the time the stuff came out about the tattoos.

HitsRus;921257 wrote:Yeah, writer,,,I've been posting this all summer and got nothing but **** for it. The NCAA rulebook is a joke, and almost impossible to comply with...,...over the years it has become a bloated mess...400 pages of picayune regulations that even the most well intentioned institutions violate. Only 4 BCS schools have never committed a major infraction....three are private institutions whose records are not open to public inspection.( Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College) Penn State is the only public institution.

In a den of thieves, there is no honor. All that matters is whether you get caught trying (or inadvertantly) circumventing the "rules". To the ones that cover their tracks the best goes the spoils.

I am a 'booster' of Ohio State University. I donated an extra $150 to the athletic scholarship fund when I purchased my football tickets. For that I recieved from OSU a 2 page long E-mail informing me that I am a 'booster' and as such I'm subject to NCAA regulations. Do you know that I cannot invite a local high school kid for dinner to promote OSU? I cannot even SPEAK to him about OSU without a coach being present if he is a POSSIBLE recruit. The list goes on.

It's stupid. Period. And for that we hold good people (Gene Smith, Jim Tressel) accountable....and we expect 19 year old kids to be perfect in compliance.

Scarlet_Buckeye;921440 wrote: but by Gene Smith hiding all of this bull crap and tearing up documents, he's basically turned the block O into a bullseye O.

FatHobbit;921448 wrote:What did Gene Smith hide, and what documents did he tear up? That's the first I've ever heard of that.