FairwoodKing;907985 wrote:The boy was brainwashed by his church into believing that homosexuality is wrong, but that's not grounds for suspension from school.

So the boy was a victim for expressing his beliefs. He's probably gay.

FairwoodKing;907985 wrote:The boy was brainwashed by his church into believing that homosexuality is wrong, but that's not grounds for suspension from school.

So if someone believes that homosexualtiy is right he is a "progressive thinker", but if someone thinks that it is wrong, he is "brainwashed"?

Why would the teacher even bring this topic up in a German class? What does sexual orientation have to do with learning a foreign language?

Al Bundy;908051 wrote:Why would the teacher even bring this topic up in a German class? What does sexual orientation have to do with learning a foreign language?

Maybe he was teaching vocabulary.

one = uno
two = dos
homo = el homo

Al Bundy;908051 wrote:So if someone believes that homosexualtiy is right he is a "progressive thinker", but if someone thinks that it is wrong, he is "brainwashed"?

Why would the teacher even bring this topic up in a German class? What does sexual orientation have to do with learning a foreign language?

WOW! You know very little about history. The Nazis threw 100,000 gay men into the concentration camps. Only 4000 survived. The Nazis justified this because of a law implemented in Germany in 1871 called Proposition 175 making homosexuality illegal. Strangely enough, the law was not repealed after the war, and gay men and lesbians were still considered to be criminals. The law was not thrown out until 1994.

FairwoodKing;908089 wrote:WOW! You know very little about history. The Nazis threw 100,000 gay men into the concentration camps. Only 4000 survived. The Nazis justified this because of a law implemented in Germany in 1871 called Proposition 175 making homosexuality illegal. Strangely enough, the law was not repealed after the war, and gay men and lesbians were still considered to be criminals. The law was not thrown out until 1994.

And this helps kids learn to speak and write in German how?

Al Bundy;908094 wrote:And this helps kids learn to speak and write in German how?

Exactly what I thought.

ernest_t_bass;908053 wrote:Maybe he was teaching vocabulary.

one = uno
two = dos
homo = el homo

That's um, not German?

I Wear Pants;908244 wrote:That's um, not German?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I was a high school Spanish teacher and I did teach some culture in addition to the language itself. Most language teachers do this.

FairwoodKing;908652 wrote:I was a high school Spanish teacher and I did teach some culture in addition to the language itself. Most language teachers do this.

Then you probably posted pics of gay illegals kissing as they wade across the Rio Grande just to add a little culture to your classroom, Si Señor?

believer;908666 wrote:Then you probably posted pics of gay illegals kissing as they wade across the Rio Grande just to add a little culture to your classroom, Si Señor?

As a matter of record, I have lived in Spain, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Panama. I talked about the histories of these countries and showed the many photographs I took when I was there.

FairwoodKing;908652 wrote:I was a high school Spanish teacher and I did teach some culture in addition to the language itself. Most language teachers do this.

There is a difference between talking about some of the culture of counties where a language is spoken and getting on a soapbox with a definite agenda. I find it hard to believe that the moral issue of being gay is on the curriculum of any high school German class.

FairwoodKing;907985 wrote:The boy was brainwashed by his church into believing that homosexuality is wrong, but that's not grounds for suspension from school.

You being brainwashed by the Liberal Media into thinking that homosexuality is ok is not grounds for anyone anywhere to take you seriously.

See how that works?

FairwoodKing;905885 wrote:Oh yes we do.

You have to announce your orientation once you join? Please explain why you need to do so.

FairwoodKing;905885 wrote:I have gay friends who were in the military who were terrified the entire time they were in it. They were not just at risk of being thrown out, they were also at risk of being imprisoned and of facing court marshal.

Please cite precedent for your assertion that they were at risk of being imprisoned or facing a court marshall. Fear of something doesn't legitimize the potential of it. I could be afraid that the earth was about to swallow me up. That doesn't mean that there is a greater potential for it.

FairwoodKing;905885 wrote:There was also a very bad set of incidents that happened at the Air Force Academy. A number of gay cadets were sexually assaulted. When they complained to their superiors, they themselves were thrown out of the academy.

Not that I doubt this, but when was this, and could you link to an article about it? My brother-in-law attended the Air Force Academy, and I wonder if it was while he was there, and if he knew anything about it.

FairwoodKing;905890 wrote:That's a lot more than I can say for any church or governmental agency.

Actually, my church (almost the entire church) volunteers at a local youth center that provides anti-bullying education, as well as care for kids in the area that are not only bullied at school, but bullied at home.

Where on earth do you get the idea that your limited scope is adequate to make that kind of claim?

FairwoodKing;905922 wrote:I just made a statement of fact. I have never heard of a church that has gotten into the bullying issue.

Except it wasn't at all a fact. It was a fact claim, but not a true one.

Ah, because you've never heard of one, then that MUST mean they don't right?

The reality is that there are a LOT of churches that get involved in just such matters. I can think of at least three within half an hour drive from my home, and those are just the ones I know of.

Footwedge;905928 wrote:No it shouldn't happen. And if you worked for a company that employs over 35 people, well, they must abide by federal statutes...and not fire you for your sexual orientation.

Bingo. Not a single gay person should ever be afraid of being fired for being gay. If they were, they'd win a huge lawsuit, and the company would be boned.

If they still fear it, then they're ignorant.

Footwedge;905928 wrote:In my new line of work, it was a pre requisite that I be a Christian in order to be hired. Was that right? Probably not...and if my company was big enough, they probably would not be able to get away with that.

What kind of company is it? If it is a religiously-motivated entity (a church, ministry, etc.), then that would make some sense, but if not, I don't think they have grounds to require that. Even as a Christian, I'd push that envelope.

Footwedge;905928 wrote:I don't believe it enhances "the cause" though when the homosexual community feel the need to have national parades in major cities. Gay people are gay people. Who cares? I don't. Live your life...enjoy your life...you are free to do so. But please don't continue to play the "quit bashing us" card day after day after day. The vast majority of straight people don't give 2 sh1ts about your orientation...and that's the way it should be.

I'm repping this.

Al Bundy;905961 wrote:Is there such a thing as a straight roller skating party if you are over the age of about 10?

I don't mind that. People of like minds tend to congregate, ESPECIALLY if they feel as though they are the minority. I've certainly heard of religiously-targeted events, politically-targeted events, ethnically-targeted events, age-targeted events, etc.

However, those groups tend to take pride in being who they are. They are often able to distinguish that being seen as different doesn't equate to being seen as better or worse.

LJ;906305 wrote:What if everytime I thought something was stupid I would say "thats so ernest

Screw the "what if." I'm doing this.

FairwoodKing;906357 wrote:I was one of the best teachers in the school and I absolutely never became involved with any of my students. You would be lucky to have someone like me teach your kids.

This may or may not have been the case, but you seem very intent on beating your own chest here. Just makes you sound like an arrogant prick.

believer;907620 wrote:Hey Fairwood....do I have a right to believe that homosexuality is wrong? Further, does the Constitution allow me to freely express those beliefs?

Apparently one of your joyful minions thinks a 14 year old honors student should receive in-school suspension for having the audacity of expressing his beliefs: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/

If don't ask, don't tell is wrong wasn't this teacher also wrong?

The right to express beliefs is, and should always be, permitted. Unless you infringe on someone else's actual rights, you are free to express your beliefs, and no amount of legislation should EVER take that away. Such legislation would be blatantly unconstitutional.

Manhattan Buckeye;907625 wrote:... his bathing himself in victimization ...

This is a very good description, I think, of why people are so bothered by him. I know for a fact that he's not the only member of the LGBT community on this board, and yet the other one posts with humility, rationality (for the most part ), and does not scream victimization where there is none. He certainly has spoken out against injustice as it pertains to the LGBT community, but he doesn't go further than is justified by fact.

I admire his ability to speak from his experience in that way.

sleeper;907990 wrote:So the boy was a victim for expressing his beliefs.

Sleeper defending a Christian kid? The world just turned upside down.

Al Bundy;909756 wrote:I find it hard to believe that the moral issue of being gay is on the curriculum of any high school German class.

This. Culture != moral or ethical philosophy.

Literally by happenstance, I came across this. Never heard of the Marin Foundation before today, but I think it's a fascinating idea!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15034651

FairwoodKing;907985 wrote:The boy was brainwashed by his church into believing that homosexuality is wrong, but that's not grounds for suspension from school.

Maybe you were brainwashed into believing homosexuality is not wrong?

The chances are just as good as him being brainwashed.

You are once again just as bad as the people you harp in with your bashing of religion.

In your mind there is no way the kid just was expressing his thoughts he had to have been brainwashed.

FairwoodKing;908089 wrote:WOW! You know very little about history. The Nazis threw 100,000 gay men into the concentration camps. Only 4000 survived. The Nazis justified this because of a law implemented in Germany in 1871 called Proposition 175 making homosexuality illegal. Strangely enough, the law was not repealed after the war, and gay men and lesbians were still considered to be criminals. The law was not thrown out until 1994.

While a true statement it has ZERO to do with the topic at hand.

This was not a German history class it was a German class aka learning the language. You are wrong again.

FairwoodKing;908652 wrote:I was a high school Spanish teacher and I did teach some culture in addition to the language itself. Most language teachers do this.

Culture yes. History no.

There is a huge difference.

bigkahuna;909767 wrote:You being brainwashed by the Liberal Media into thinking that homosexuality is ok is not grounds for anyone anywhere to take you seriously.

See how that works?

If you wish to take me seriously, it's because I'm gay and I've gone through all of this. I know a hell of a lot more about being gay than you heterosexuals.

jmog;909993 wrote:Maybe you were brainwashed into believing homosexuality is not wrong?

The chances are just as good as him being brainwashed.

You are once again just as bad as the people you harp in with your bashing of religion.

In your mind there is no way the kid just was expressing his thoughts he had to have been brainwashed.

I know what it's like to be brainwashed by a church. When I was growing up, I had a Sunday School teacher (the preacher's wife) who harped every Sunday about how all Jews were going to hell because they didn't accept Jesus. In a town like Steubenville will a large Jewish population, this doesn't go over very well. Fortunately, we got rid of the Sunday School teacher and the preacher before they could do much damage.

FairwoodKing;910597 wrote:I know what it's like to be brainwashed by a church.

All Christians are brainwashed. All gays are as arrogant and hateful as you.

If a Christian says homosexuality is a sin and that gays are going to hell, is that hate speech? If a gay says Christians are narrow-minded and brainwashed, is that also hate speech?

Should both be jailed for freely expressing their beliefs?

I just watched ABC News. They told about yet another 14-year-old boy who committed suicide because he was constantly bullied for being gay. Yes, as a matter of record, I do hate anyone who in any way, shape, or form had anything to do with his death. You call me arrogant. I call myself a crusader. I will do anything in my power to prevent these suicides from happening, even if that means attacking churches that preach bigotry.

The good news is that the world is changing and in our favor. Someday these suicides won't happen, and I just hope I'm still alive to see it.

FairwoodKing;910597 wrote:I know what it's like to be brainwashed by a church. When I was growing up, I had a Sunday School teacher (the preacher's wife) who harped every Sunday about how all Jews were going to hell because they didn't accept Jesus. In a town like Steubenville will a large Jewish population, this doesn't go over very well. Fortunately, we got rid of the Sunday School teacher and the preacher before they could do much damage.

When you say "got rid of" what do you mean?

I Wear Pants;910829 wrote:When you say "got rid of" what do you mean?

We fired them and brought in a new preacher.

FairwoodKing;910863 wrote:We fired them and brought in a new preacher.

^^^ This guy didn't get the joke.