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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 28, 2011 3:39pm
I'm LOL along with you...why was his name even mentioned on this thread :rolleyes:Automatik;914366 wrote:Pete Carroll!?!
LOL
stroups
Posts: 3,223
Sep 28, 2011 3:40pm
FatHobbit;911686 wrote:That doesn't mean they can let everyone in, just that they lower the standards for athletes. Just curious, where did this SS end up?
He was supposed to go to Louisville but I just checked their roster and he isn't on it so im guessing the citgo
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 28, 2011 3:46pm
What was his name?stroups;914428 wrote:He was supposed to go to Louisville but I just checked their roster and he isn't on it so im guessing the citgo
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 28, 2011 4:51pm
Way to cover your ass in case Fickell does get the job.krambman;914353 wrote:Luke won't be seriously considered for the job. I don't think any decision one way or another has been made. I think he'll definitely be interviewed. What happens if Meyer isn't interested or is he interviews and says no? You then have to interview others. Even though this is Ohio State it's possible that their first or second choice may not be interested and Fickell then becomes the top guy on the list of candidates and is offered the job. Let's also remember that even though some other big time schools have promoted a coordinator to head coach with success usually those guys have had years of experience as coordinators at major schools (JimBo Fisher is the first name that comes to mind, and he had been an offensive coordinator for over 10 years at LSU, where he won a title, and at Florida State). Let's remember that Fickell has never been a coordinator by himself and that he had only been a co-coordinator for 4 years before being named head coach.
I think that Heacock stands the best chance of being retained by a new coach. The defense has been the strongest aspect of this team for the past decade, he's been coaching at OSU for 13 years, and the defense has statistically been the best in school history since he took over as coordinator, with no significant statistical improvement when Fickell was named his co-coordinator.
As far as who OSU's next coach will be, Urban Meyer is the obvious choice, but I think that this school can (and should) make phone calls to a lot of people to gauge their interest. These are the names that, in my opinion, OSU should at least give a courtesy call.
Urban Meyer
Nick Saban
Jon Gruden
Bo Pelini
Bob Stoops
Pete Carol
Mark Dantonio
Darryl Hazel
Now I know that some of these people will say "thanks, but no thanks" and at least one we probably shouldn't even call (Carol), but all of these guys have ties to Ohio and/or Ohio State, so I think that the school owes it to itself to call the biggest names possible since this is one of the biggest jobs in college football, if not the biggest.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 28, 2011 6:30pm
I don't get the fascination with Gruden. Well, I get the fascination, but I don't think it's realistic. He comes almost exclusively from an NFL background and has never had to recruit. That could turn out to be a huge weakness and a fatal one -- if he's even interested in doing it. A lot of folks like the NFL over college because they don't have to cater to teenagers to get talent.
Most of the other names are okay, if not realistic (Saban) except Carroll. With his NCAA track record, OSU can't afford to take a chance.
Most of the other names are okay, if not realistic (Saban) except Carroll. With his NCAA track record, OSU can't afford to take a chance.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Sep 28, 2011 9:07pm
I'm just saying that he likely won't be the school's first choice, but he may be a choice. Just because OSU is a major job doesn't mean they will get who they want. Think about Notre Dame a few years ago. Charlie Weis was like their 4th choice and wasn't even interviewed in the first round of sit downs. It was only after their top choices turned him down that he got a call. Just because Fickell isn't the top pick doesn't mean he won't end up getting the job.se-alum;914519 wrote:Way to cover your ass in case Fickell does get the job.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Sep 28, 2011 11:38pm
Speedofsand;914200 wrote:Wonderlic is a standard intelligence test, just not for college admission. You guys been hatin' on Pryor since last Dec. and you know damn well he is a dumbass. Your star player. What an example of how intelligent a Buckeye must be for academic admission. 7 or not, you have no room to talk trash about college standards when you have quotes like his about Vick. Most schools have exceptions. F$U has more 'special needs' student athletes than any school I've heard of.
SOS must be a SEC grad if he doesn't know the difference between an intelligence test and an aptitude test.krambman;914223 wrote:The Wonderlic is NOT an intelligence test. An intelligence test gauges what someone knows. The Wonderlic is an aptitude test, which gauges a person's ability to learn and problem solve. Big difference.
Back on the topic. I agree that OSU should call the biggest names available (and maybe some that are currently employed as coaches too). This is a top 3 college coaching job. It doesn't get bigger than Ohio State, Texas and Notre Dame IMO.
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Sep 29, 2011 1:30am
It does in the sense that other schools will pay more. In terms of prestige, exposure, history, etc, you're right, but there are other schools willing to pay their coach more than the three you mentioned.dwccrew;915261 wrote:SOS must be a SEC grad if he doesn't know the difference between an intelligence test and an aptitude test.
Back on the topic. I agree that OSU should call the biggest names available (and maybe some that are currently employed as coaches too). This is a top 3 college coaching job. It doesn't get bigger than Ohio State, Texas and Notre Dame IMO.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Sep 29, 2011 1:34am
I think high school seniors would love to play for gruden. He would have an easy time getting the players.
Speedofsand
Posts: 5,529
Sep 29, 2011 7:59am
You guys can say the Wonderlic has nothing to do with intelligence if you want. Must be a coincidence that Pat McInally is still the only player ever to get a 50 and he is a Harvard guy. Today's Bills QB got a 48. I'm sure those 2 guys are not intelligent at all.
The Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test (formerly known as the Wonderlic Personnel Test (WPT)) is a twelve-minute, fifty-question test used to assess the aptitude of prospective employees for learning and problem-solving in a range of occupations. The test was developed by industrial psychologist Eldon F. Wonderlic. The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time. A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; a rough conversion is accomplished via the following formula: IQ = 2WPT + 60.[SUP][/SUP] A new version was released in January 2007 called the Wonderlic Contemporary Cognitive Ability Test (formerly known as the Wonderlic Personnel Test – Revised). It contains questions more appropriate to the 21st century and is available both online and in printed form, whereas the original test is only available on paper.
The Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test (formerly known as the Wonderlic Personnel Test (WPT)) is a twelve-minute, fifty-question test used to assess the aptitude of prospective employees for learning and problem-solving in a range of occupations. The test was developed by industrial psychologist Eldon F. Wonderlic. The score is calculated as the number of correct answers given in the allotted time. A score of 20 is intended to indicate average intelligence (corresponding to an intelligence quotient of 100; a rough conversion is accomplished via the following formula: IQ = 2WPT + 60.[SUP][/SUP] A new version was released in January 2007 called the Wonderlic Contemporary Cognitive Ability Test (formerly known as the Wonderlic Personnel Test – Revised). It contains questions more appropriate to the 21st century and is available both online and in printed form, whereas the original test is only available on paper.
Speedofsand
Posts: 5,529
Sep 29, 2011 8:10am
Nobody has a clue right now who the next coach could be. Wait until the NCAA penalty is dropped. Meyer should wait until his boy is out of high school before coaching, and then he should be Tebow's O.C. in the NFL.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 29, 2011 9:57am
I think it's foolish to think intelligence doesn't play a big part in aptitude. It's not surprising that the highly educated would perform better than most. However, there are some highly intelligent people that process things more slowly, than others, so it's not really an end all, be all indictment on someones intelligence.
You mean Tebow's O.C. in the UFL?Speedofsand;915546 wrote:Nobody has a clue right now who the next coach could be. Wait until the NCAA penalty is dropped. Meyer should wait until his boy is out of high school before coaching, and then he should be Tebow's O.C. in the NFL.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Sep 29, 2011 10:21am
Completely agree. Gruden? Nah. Track record of NFL to NCAA isn't very good if you look. Sure, there are exceptions like Carroll. But his rah rah personality fit in with college. I would not want Gruden at all nor do I think OSU would even sniff him.Writerbuckeye;914623 wrote:I don't get the fascination with Gruden. Well, I get the fascination, but I don't think it's realistic. He comes almost exclusively from an NFL background and has never had to recruit. That could turn out to be a huge weakness and a fatal one -- if he's even interested in doing it. A lot of folks like the NFL over college because they don't have to cater to teenagers to get talent.
Most of the other names are okay, if not realistic (Saban) except Carroll. With his NCAA track record, OSU can't afford to take a chance.
Who knows who the next coach will be or who OSU will even look at or reach out too. Tressel kind of came out of nowhere. Same could happen. Its a wait and see situation.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 29, 2011 11:16am
I remember thinking where in the hell did they dig this guy up? I imagine the next guy will not be nearly as successful.centralbucksfan;915682 wrote:Tressel kind of came out of nowhere. Same could happen.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 29, 2011 11:38am
I don't know what more you could want than a guy who was an assistant at OSU previously, has a winning bowl record, a few conference coach of the year awards, has done wonderful things at three different programs, is probably itching to leave the commentator booth, and has publically proclaimed that OSU is his dream job.
Glen.Mother.Fucking.Mason.
Glen.Mother.Fucking.Mason.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 29, 2011 12:29pm
Otherwise likely to be Earle Bruce Reduxenigmaax;915807 wrote:I don't know what more you could want than a guy who was an assistant at OSU previously, has a winning bowl record, a few conference coach of the year awards, has done wonderful things at three different programs, is probably itching to leave the commentator booth, and has publically proclaimed that OSU is his dream job.
Glen.Mother.****ing.Mason.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 29, 2011 2:01pm
Wonderful things at three programs?enigmaax;915807 wrote:I don't know what more you could want than a guy who was an assistant at OSU previously, has a winning bowl record, a few conference coach of the year awards, has done wonderful things at three different programs, is probably itching to leave the commentator booth, and has publically proclaimed that OSU is his dream job.
Glen.Mother.Fucking.Mason.
He was 12-10 at Kent State, 47-54-1 at Kansas and 64-57 at Minnesota.
He was my choice when they hired Tressel, but I was definitely wrong.
In his defense he had a .535 winning percentage at Minnesota and the 3 coaches before him at Minnesota were
Jim Whacker 16-39 .291
John Gutekunst 29-36-2 .441
Lou Holtz 10-12 .455
The three after have been
Tim Brewster 25-37 .333
Jeff Horton 2-3 .400
Jerry Kill 1-3 .250
It hasn't been a very good program for a while.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Sep 29, 2011 2:12pm
I think Mason can coach, the question is, can he recruit? It's hard to tell at a place like Minnesota if a coach is a good recruiter or not.FatHobbit;915943 wrote:Wonderful things at three programs?
He was 12-10 at Kent State, 47-54-1 at Kansas and 64-57 at Minnesota.
He was my choice when they hired Tressel, but I was definitely wrong.
In his defense he had a .535 winning percentage at Minnesota and the 3 coaches before him at Minnesota were
Jim Whacker 16-39 .291
John Gutekunst 29-36-2 .441
Lou Holtz 10-12 .455
The three after have been
Tim Brewster 25-37 .333
Jeff Horton 2-3 .400
Jerry Kill 1-3 .250
It hasn't been a very good program for a while.
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Sep 29, 2011 2:14pm
Easy to tell if he is good recruiter....hard to tell if he is a bad recruiter.se-alum;915951 wrote:It's hard to tell at a place like Minnesota if a coach is a good recruiter or not.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 29, 2011 2:24pm
Since you already took care of Minnesota:FatHobbit;915943 wrote:Wonderful things at three programs?
He was 12-10 at Kent State, 47-54-1 at Kansas
Kent
- three previous coaches has a combined record of 20-68
- 1st year, led them to their first winning conference season in 8 years
- 2nd year, led them to their first winning season in 9 years
- Kent then went another 13 years before another winning season
Kansas
- led them to first ever 10-win season
- led them to as many bowls in his 9 years as they'd been to in any decade prior to that
- have to count back 15 years before him to get match the 4 winning seasons he had and they still haven't had 4 winning seasons since he left 14 years ago (this year should make it another 15)
Compared to what these programs are/were used to without him, I'd call that wonderful.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 29, 2011 2:25pm
Um...and btw, I really wouldn't expect OSU to hire Glen Mason, but the parallels to Urban Meyer that I mentioned are uncanny!
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Sep 29, 2011 2:38pm
I guess you lost me with this comment.enigmaax;915961 wrote:Um...and btw, I really wouldn't expect OSU to hire Glen Mason, but the parallels to Urban Meyer that I mentioned are uncanny!
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 29, 2011 3:01pm
Writerbuckeye;915977 wrote:I guess you lost me with this comment.
If you just read this without knowing I was gonna say Glen Mason, who would you think I was talking about?enigmaax;915807 wrote:I don't know what more you could want than a guy who was an assistant at OSU previously, has a winning bowl record, a few conference coach of the year awards, has done wonderful things at three different programs, is probably itching to leave the commentator booth, and has publically proclaimed that OSU is his dream job.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Sep 29, 2011 3:30pm
Fair enough. He was who I was pulling for when they hired Tressel. Since he did really well in the B1G for a decade, I have to say that Mason would have hard time doing better.enigmaax;915960 wrote:Compared to what these programs are/were used to without him, I'd call that wonderful.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Sep 29, 2011 3:56pm
Yeah, I heard a lot of talk at that time and kind of figured Mason would be the choice. There is a big difference, in my opinion, between making a bad program mediocre to decent (what Mason did) and making a good program great (or sustaining an already great program). I mean, Mason did better than some others at his schools, but I don't think he ever even won a conference and most years didn't come close. I can see where that might have looked like a bigger risk compared to Tressel's success, even though Tressel hadn't coached at the I-A level. Obviously it worked out pretty well.FatHobbit;916041 wrote:Fair enough. He was who I was pulling for when they hired Tressel. Since he did really well in the B1G for a decade, I have to say that Mason would have hard time doing better.