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Sep 19, 2011 12:08 PM
Why do people think Spielman would be a good coach? In his only coaching stint ever, he failed miserably. The guy talks a great game, full of confidence, vim and vinegar -- but he has no clue how to handle college players in a real coaching situation.

Same with Lachey.

I don't want radio and TV analysts to make up my coaching staff when they've never had any real coaching experience. Let them stay in the booth.

Bring me guys who have demonstrated, on the sideline, that they can get the job done.
Sep 19, 2011 12:08pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:12 PM
Writerbuckeye;903012 wrote: Standing on the sidelines like a deer in the headlight.
lol--where have I seen this quote before? :thumbup:
Sep 19, 2011 12:12pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:12 PM
vball10set;902984 wrote:this...I alluded to this same thing on another thread
+2. A guy with his amount of experience should never even sniff the Ohio State coaching job.
Sep 19, 2011 12:12pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM
LJ;903016 wrote:Just what we need, more high level coaches who have never coached before
amen. I can't believe that Spiels and so many of his followers think that he should be handed things. Go work as a LB coach or special teams coach and work your way up like everybody else.
Sep 19, 2011 12:14pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM
jordo212000;903047 wrote:+2. A guy with his amount of experience should never even sniff the Ohio State coaching job.
exactly
Sep 19, 2011 12:14pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:32 PM
Writerbuckeye;903033 wrote:Why do people think Spielman would be a good coach? In his only coaching stint ever, he failed miserably. The guy talks a great game, full of confidence, vim and vinegar -- but he has no clue how to handle college players in a real coaching situation.

Same with Lachey.

I don't want radio and TV analysts to make up my coaching staff when they've never had any real coaching experience. Let them stay in the booth.

Bring me guys who have demonstrated, on the sideline, that they can get the job done.
When did Spielman and Lachey coach college football?
Sep 19, 2011 12:32pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:35 PM
Spielman coached the Destroyers and went 2-14.
Sep 19, 2011 12:35pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:36 PM
I would like to see Urban Meyer get the job....but will he come here even with the penalties/sanctions?
Sep 19, 2011 12:36pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:37 PM
ts1227;903089 wrote:Spielman coached the Destroyers and went 2-14.
He reminds me of a Mike Singletary type. Completely unrealistic, too emotional, and not able to identify with players who are not "gamers"

Plus, I have heard what he would do during game situations as a play by guy. He'd be an awful head coach IMO
Sep 19, 2011 12:37pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:38 PM
ts1227;903089 wrote:Spielman coached the Destroyers and went 2-14.
Yea, I knew that. I'm just not sure when he coached in college. When someone says, "but he has no clue how to handle college players in a real coaching situation.", I have to assume there's a basis for the comment, which there doesn't seem to be here.
Sep 19, 2011 12:38pm
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Sep 19, 2011 12:40 PM
jordo212000;903095 wrote:He reminds me of a Mike Singletary type. Completely unrealistic, too emotional, and not able to identify with players who are not "gamers"

I just think he's a retarded meathead.
Sep 19, 2011 12:40pm
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Sep 19, 2011 1:04 PM
Speil's knows more about defense than anybody we have now . Given to him ? The man has played at a high level football since his high school days , played and was a All -American , Pro Bowler in the N.F.L . Does one need to be a head coach at a high school and then work his way up to Div. 3 ...etc, etc ? Only would he bring knowledge of the game , he would bring the toughness that it takes to play at the college game, instead of just going thru the motions . Here is Coach Bollman's credentials as a coach as he worked up the " ladder and paid his dues...." , so . I.M.O...working up the ladder means nothing compared of PLAYING the game and learning the game at high levels compared to playing at Ohio U for 4 years .
Coaching Assignments
2001- Present Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line Ohio State University
1999-2000 Tight Ends Chicago Bears
1998 Tight Ends Philadelphia Eagles
1995-1997 Offensive Line Michigan State University
1991-1994 Offensive Line University of Virginia
1989-1990 Offensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1986-1988 Defensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1985 Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers North Carolina State University
1983-1984 Assistant Head Coach, Offensive Line North Carolina State University
1978-1982 Offensive Line Miami University (Ohio)
1977 Graduate Assistant Miami University (Ohio)
Sep 19, 2011 1:04pm
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Sep 19, 2011 1:15 PM
wwhayes;903119 wrote:Speil's knows more about defense than anybody we have now . Given to him ? The man has played at a high level football since his high school days , played and was a All -American , Pro Bowler in the N.F.L . Does one need to be a head coach at a high school and then work his way up to Div. 3 ...etc, etc ? Only would he bring knowledge of the game , he would bring the toughness that it takes to play at the college game, instead of just going thru the motions . Here is Coach Bollman's credentials as a coach as he worked up the " ladder and paid his dues...." , so . I.M.O...working up the ladder means nothing compared of PLAYING the game and learning the game at high levels compared to playing at Ohio U for 4 years .
Coaching Assignments
2001- Present Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line Ohio State University
1999-2000 Tight Ends Chicago Bears
1998 Tight Ends Philadelphia Eagles
1995-1997 Offensive Line Michigan State University
1991-1994 Offensive Line University of Virginia
1989-1990 Offensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1986-1988 Defensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1985 Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers North Carolina State University
1983-1984 Assistant Head Coach, Offensive Line North Carolina State University
1978-1982 Offensive Line Miami University (Ohio)
1977 Graduate Assistant Miami University (Ohio)
SMH. Can't believe I'm even commenting on this.

Jim Heacock is one of the best D-Coordinators in the county. He has considerable more knowledge of defensive schemes/personal compared to Spielman. The fact you refer to him as "Spiels" tends to show some kind of emotion tie to him. He was a helluva LB at OSU, no question. But you cannot simply hand him the D-Coordinator job. Especially at a top tier program.
Sep 19, 2011 1:15pm
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Sep 19, 2011 1:43 PM
wwhayes;903119 wrote:Speil's knows more about defense than anybody we have now . Given to him ? The man has played at a high level football since his high school days , played and was a All -American , Pro Bowler in the N.F.L . Does one need to be a head coach at a high school and then work his way up to Div. 3 ...etc, etc ? Only would he bring knowledge of the game , he would bring the toughness that it takes to play at the college game, instead of just going thru the motions . Here is Coach Bollman's credentials as a coach as he worked up the " ladder and paid his dues...." , so . I.M.O...working up the ladder means nothing compared of PLAYING the game and learning the game at high levels compared to playing at Ohio U for 4 years .
Coaching Assignments
2001- Present Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line Ohio State University
1999-2000 Tight Ends Chicago Bears
1998 Tight Ends Philadelphia Eagles
1995-1997 Offensive Line Michigan State University
1991-1994 Offensive Line University of Virginia
1989-1990 Offensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1986-1988 Defensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1985 Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers North Carolina State University
1983-1984 Assistant Head Coach, Offensive Line North Carolina State University
1978-1982 Offensive Line Miami University (Ohio)
1977 Graduate Assistant Miami University (Ohio)
Speilman was a great player, but great players often don't make great coaches. Great players often can't relate to others who do not have the natural ability that they do.
Sep 19, 2011 1:43pm
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Sep 19, 2011 2:04 PM
wwhayes;903119 wrote:Speil's knows more about defense than anybody we have now . Given to him ? The man has played at a high level football since his high school days , played and was a All -American , Pro Bowler in the N.F.L . Does one need to be a head coach at a high school and then work his way up to Div. 3 ...etc, etc ? Only would he bring knowledge of the game , he would bring the toughness that it takes to play at the college game, instead of just going thru the motions . Here is Coach Bollman's credentials as a coach as he worked up the " ladder and paid his dues...." , so . I.M.O...working up the ladder means nothing compared of PLAYING the game and learning the game at high levels compared to playing at Ohio U for 4 years .
Coaching Assignments
2001- Present Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line Ohio State University
1999-2000 Tight Ends Chicago Bears
1998 Tight Ends Philadelphia Eagles
1995-1997 Offensive Line Michigan State University
1991-1994 Offensive Line University of Virginia
1989-1990 Offensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1986-1988 Defensive Coordinator Youngstown State University
1985 Assistant Head Coach, Linebackers North Carolina State University
1983-1984 Assistant Head Coach, Offensive Line North Carolina State University
1978-1982 Offensive Line Miami University (Ohio)
1977 Graduate Assistant Miami University (Ohio)
Knowing how to play a position and knowing how to scheme and teach that position are totally different things. According to your argument, Bill Belicheck shouldn't be a great coach because he was a great player. The Cowboys probably should have hired Troy Aikman has their head coach because he was a better NFL player than Jason Garret was.

If you think that being a great player at a high level is related to having the ability to be a great coach, that just shows how little you know about the game of football.
Sep 19, 2011 2:04pm
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Sep 19, 2011 2:29 PM
ok...relax........it was a opinion...Krambman- i was setting a example on working ones way up the ladder is NOT the only way to be a successful coach . If any one thinks Bollman has been doing a exceptional job of coaching the weakest part the Buckeyes team , year after year , either they dont know football or havent been watching the offensive line the Buckeyes have had since he has been here...
just saying
Sep 19, 2011 2:29pm
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Sep 19, 2011 3:40 PM
I gotta admit I got caught up in Fickell's legendary work ethic as a HS and College athlete himself and found myself supporting him against the non-believers. Common sense told me no head coaching experience should be an almost insurmountable obstacle to overcome but I wanted desperately to support this local kid from Columbus, OH.

....sorry Luke, you blew it. The TO issue is just too damn dumb to ever come back from. Don't you have 8 other Asst Coaches who also should have been screaming TO! TO! TO! and don't get me wrong, you still would have lost the game but as it is you look like you also knew that and just plain said "Lets GTFO here". That is just not done at any level Coach and now you must go at the end of the season.
Sep 19, 2011 3:40pm
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Sep 19, 2011 3:42 PM
Al Bundy;903169 wrote:Speilman was a great player, but great players often don't make great coaches. Great players often can't relate to others who do not have the natural ability that they do.
As far as Spielman getting a top tier job, this quote wins!
Next, here is another vote for Urban Meyer getting the job!!!
Sep 19, 2011 3:42pm
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Sep 19, 2011 4:06 PM
wwhayes;903226 wrote:ok...relax........it was a opinion...Krambman- i was setting a example on working ones way up the ladder is NOT the only way to be a successful coach . If any one thinks Bollman has been doing a exceptional job of coaching the weakest part the Buckeyes team , year after year , either they dont know football or havent been watching the offensive line the Buckeyes have had since he has been here...
just saying
I won't argue that Bollman hasn't been getting the job done. I've said for a while that Bollman needs replaced. However, I would say that being the offensive coordinator at Ohio State for a decade, and the best decade in school history in terms of wins and losses, makes you a pretty successful coach. Also, the example of Bollman doesn't show that climbing up the ladder isn't the only way to become a successful coach. All you did was provide one example to show that one can climb the ladder and not be successful (or good). You did nothing to show that you can attain success at a high level of coaching without climbing up the ladder. Until you do that, you have no argument behind your claim that Spielman would make a great defensive coordinator.
Sep 19, 2011 4:06pm
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Sep 19, 2011 4:09 PM
wwhayes;903226 wrote:ok...relax........it was a opinion...Krambman- i was setting a example on working ones way up the ladder is NOT the only way to be a successful coach . If any one thinks Bollman has been doing a exceptional job of coaching the weakest part the Buckeyes team , year after year , either they dont know football or havent been watching the offensive line the Buckeyes have had since he has been here...
just saying
All Spielman has shown you is that he can react on the field to what is happening. What has he ever shown you to believe he can think 3 plays ahead at a time, while making current scheme adjustments, while dealing with player issues?
Sep 19, 2011 4:09pm
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Sep 19, 2011 6:46 PM
You honestly believe Bollman has been calling the offensive plays the last ten years ?
Sep 19, 2011 6:46pm
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Sep 19, 2011 7:42 PM
Name 5 great players who are top notch coaches..any sport. Great players don't translate to coaching. Using this logic, Michael Jordan should be the greatest basketball coach ever. You know who makes great coaches? The average to above average players who weren't immensely talented. They had to rely on their smarts and preparation to get by..not talent and athleticism.

As for the job search..Gee should have taken the jet to wherever Urb calls home right now with a blank check and let Urb fill that thing in to come on board. And they should name him the coach in waiting now so Urb's name alone can start recruiting.
Sep 19, 2011 7:42pm
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Sep 19, 2011 11:44 PM
wwhayes;903521 wrote:You honestly believe Bollman has been calling the offensive plays the last ten years ?
Yeah, I think he's been calling plays. I also think JT overrode his calls a high percentage of the time. But I do believe Bollman was calling the plays. The similarities between what I'm seeing now and when JT was in charge is too coincidental.
Sep 19, 2011 11:44pm
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Sep 20, 2011 4:58 AM
Luke Fickell was awarded the OSU coaching job without ever even being a full time coordinator, which is just insane. He is clearly in way over his head right now, but he is in a very tough spot. Almost all head coaches specialize in one side of the ball, and then are expected to hire the right guy for the other side. Luke did not get a chance to hire his own offensive guy which is not fair. If Tressel was stuck with some lame D-coordinator, instead of Heacock (who is an absolute witch and probably the best in the country), he would have lost alot more of games.

That said I am not even sure JT could have won with this offensive personel. The QB's are terrible (for different reasons), the WR's have about 10 seconds of experience, and the best RB is suspended. It's a really tough spot for any coach. I am amazed that OSU was not able to find one guy in between Pryor and Miller that could at least be servicable.

Two other scary thoughts for OSU fans. Miami is not a good team at all. There are alot of teams that would have beat OSU by 40+ last Saturday. Also, OSU loses it's three best O-lineman (very little depth behind them either), its best receiver, TE and RB after this year. Next year could be even worse on offensive side of the ball.
Sep 20, 2011 4:58am
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Sep 20, 2011 7:52 AM
Zoltan;904032 wrote:Luke Fickell was awarded the OSU coaching job without ever even being a full time coordinator, which is just insane. He is clearly in way over his head right now, but he is in a very tough spot. Almost all head coaches specialize in one side of the ball, and then are expected to hire the right guy for the other side. Luke did not get a chance to hire his own offensive guy which is not fair. If Tressel was stuck with some lame D-coordinator, instead of Heacock (who is an absolute witch and probably the best in the country), he would have lost alot more of games.

That said I am not even sure JT could have won with this offensive personel. The QB's are terrible (for different reasons), the WR's have about 10 seconds of experience, and the best RB is suspended. It's a really tough spot for any coach. I am amazed that OSU was not able to find one guy in between Pryor and Miller that could at least be servicable.

Two other scary thoughts for OSU fans. Miami is not a good team at all. There are alot of teams that would have beat OSU by 40+ last Saturday. Also, OSU loses it's three best O-lineman (very little depth behind them either), its best receiver, TE and RB after this year. Next year could be even worse on offensive side of the ball.
Stoneburner will be back, and it looks like Jordan Hall is the best RB on the team.
Sep 20, 2011 7:52am