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Apple ended 8/10/11 as the most valuable public company in the world.

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hoops23

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Aug 11, 2011 3:52 PM
I Wear Pants;858954 wrote:Most valuable only in some regards.

I mean, yes they are printing money right now but it's not like they're the most profitable company out there. Microsoft still makes more profit each quarter than they do as do many others. People pretending that they have "this shit on lock" for years to come are mistaken. They could easily be in bad shape just as quickly as they got themselves into good shape. And Steve Jobs is indispensible to the company and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a sharp downturn in the company after he leaves/dies (in both stock value as well as their vision and innovation going forward).
I thought Apple passed Microsoft in profit?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-29/microsoft-profit-falls-below-apple-s-as-ipad-eats-into-sales.html

Could have sworn it's still that way as well, though I could be wrong.. Just going off what I last heard.
Aug 11, 2011 3:52pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 11, 2011 4:09 PM
Automatik;858950 wrote:Exactly. Also, Hackintosh is an option if you want OSX on a non-Mac. I'm just trying to find out what restrictions, specifically with their computers, that are causing them to "shoot themselves in the foot."

Apple tells developers to "make it this way and only this way". This brings consistency to the table, but it also alienates developers and harms innovation. Once you've alienated the developers, they start flocking to alternatives.

And a "Hackintosh" isn't a viable option since OS X is only legal to run on Apple hardware. (though I've done it anyways)
Aug 11, 2011 4:09pm
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Jawbreaker

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Aug 11, 2011 4:09 PM
justincredible;858952 wrote:I can run Windows and OSX at the same time on my MBP. Magic. :)

That may be true but I am talking about running OSX on a VM (without hacking).....not running Windows in a VM under OSX. Most don't care but I would like to run an OSX build in a VM (legally) for a couple different reasons but I don't think I am the norm.
Aug 11, 2011 4:09pm
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Jawbreaker

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Aug 11, 2011 4:11 PM
dlazz;858999 wrote:Apple tells developers to "make it this way and only this way". This brings consistency to the table, but it also alienates developers and harms innovation. Once you've alienated the developers, they start flocking to alternatives.

Something that really hasn't happened yet. As long as developers are on a platform that is making them money, they won't switch just to lose money on a different platform.
Aug 11, 2011 4:11pm
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Aug 11, 2011 4:32 PM
dlazz;858999 wrote:Apple tells developers to "make it this way and only this way". This brings consistency to the table, but it also alienates developers and harms innovation. Once you've alienated the developers, they start flocking to alternatives.

And a "Hackintosh" isn't a viable option since OS X is only legal to run on Apple hardware. (though I've done it anyways)

I don't see how this is a problem that would cause Apple to decline. Like Jawbreaker said, if the opportunity to cash in is there, why would they choose not to develop for their OS?

If you're specifically talking about the app market, a lot developers release for Android and iOS.
Aug 11, 2011 4:32pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 11, 2011 5:05 PM
Automatik;859051 wrote:I don't see how this is a problem that would cause Apple to decline. Like Jawbreaker said, if the opportunity to cash in is there, why would they choose not to develop for their OS?

If you're specifically talking about the app market, a lot developers release for Android and iOS.

Yes, but if a NEW app maker is looking to develop, which do you think they'd go for? The one with larger share, virtually no app-approval time, and a more relaxed development system...or the opposite?

What you're seeing now is developers who had developed iOS apps now developing for Android.

I think the shift is coming.
Aug 11, 2011 5:05pm
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Aug 11, 2011 5:08 PM
dlazz;859082 wrote:Yes, but if a NEW app maker is looking to develop, which do you think they'd go for? The one with larger share, virtually no app-approval time, and a more relaxed development system...or the opposite?

Good point, but what NEW app developer is going to come out with something significant enough to cause Apple's downfall? No one.

You were grasping at straws with that earlier comment.

What shift? Developers saying screw Apple and go strictly Android? That's asinine, they will go for both and maximize profits.
Aug 11, 2011 5:08pm
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Aug 11, 2011 5:23 PM
On the contrary, why wouldn't a developer who took time and developed an app worth something want it to be in the App store where it could be featured instead of in the Android Market where it has to weed through a bunch of junk to get noticed?
Aug 11, 2011 5:23pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 11, 2011 8:44 PM
hoops23;859099 wrote:On the contrary, why wouldn't a developer who took time and developed an app worth something want it to be in the App store where it could be featured instead of in the Android Market where it has to weed through a bunch of junk to get noticed?

Because it's possible Apple would shoot the app down for no reason, especially if that App adds some functionality that Apple didn't want.

Read: Google Talk, Skype
Aug 11, 2011 8:44pm
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Jawbreaker

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Aug 11, 2011 10:27 PM
hoops23;859099 wrote:On the contrary, why wouldn't a developer who took time and developed an app worth something want it to be in the App store where it could be featured instead of in the Android Market where it has to weed through a bunch of junk to get noticed?

I think both app stores have their fair share of fart apps.
Aug 11, 2011 10:27pm
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hoops23

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Aug 12, 2011 1:55 AM
dlazz;859297 wrote:Because it's possible Apple would shoot the app down for no reason, especially if that App adds some functionality that Apple didn't want.

Read: Google Talk, Skype

Fair enough. I definitely agree that Apple is a little too restrictive (see their recent restrictions on E-reader apps), and while it does do good in controlling the amount of bad apps to come in, it also has it's faults in restricting useful apps/features.
Aug 12, 2011 1:55am