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Aug 2, 2011 8:21 AM
BR1986FB;849358 wrote:Kevin Johnson was a MUCH more RELIABLE receiver when he was with the Browns. Braylon made the impossible look easy and the easy look like he was a fucking retard. Johnson just caught the ball and went about his business. Advantage Johnson.

Agreed 100%. Funny that Cleveland fans would rather have KJ and non browns fan who are used to seeing highlight plays of Leon yet don't know about the rest of his game (the easy drops that your sister could make with eyes closed, taking plays off, batting the ball up into the air causing drive/game killing drives. His incestant whining about not getting the ball, yelling at oline [why Joe Thomas didn't punk his ass I'll never know], locker room cancer, etc...) [video=youtube;YE2DCS1PnwU][/video]

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Aug 2, 2011 8:21am
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Aug 2, 2011 8:34 AM
Jester;849230 wrote:You're allowed to have your opinion. I'm allowed to have mine. Edwards is the more talented player, IMO.
Jester;849275 wrote:If you're just looking at their Cleveland careers, then yeah you could probably say KJ was the better receiver, but if i'm comparing the talent level of players, i'm comparing their entire careers.
Terry_Tate;849299 wrote:"Kevin Johnson with the Browns: 3836 Yds, 23 tds and actually caught the ball

Braylon with the Browns: 2812 Yds, 28 tds, and more drops in a season than KJ had in his 5 years with the Browns."

Major mathfail there.

Braylon: 62 games, 238 catches, 3,697 yards, 28 td

Johnson: 73 games, 315 catches, 3,836 yards, 23 td

A lot closer with the real stats. I'd still take Braylon even with the drops.

Well as long as we're spinning the arguement here to fit your answer that you'd rather have Leon than KJ based on talent level I'll just say this. The patriots would rather have 2 TEs and Wes Welker than Randy Moss (who many claim is the most talented WR in the game over the last 15 yrs). No team other than the Bills were willing to sign TO and the Dallas Cowboys would rather play without him than with him. Both WRs are more talented than Leon. Plenty of "talented" players are out of the NFL bc of their attitude, mental lapses, etc... KJ came to work everyday, and made plays. Leon has as many bone head plays as he does highlghts. Me, I'd rather have a consistent player who I can count on to make the catch, that certaintly wasn't Braylon. If you're obsessed with a highlight play every other game and making sportscenter for something other than winning games, than Leon is the POS for you.
Aug 2, 2011 8:34am
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Aug 2, 2011 8:38 AM
Commander of Awesome;849396 wrote:Agreed 100%. Funny that Cleveland fans would rather have KJ and non browns fan who are used to seeing highlight plays of Leon yet don't know about the rest of his game (the easy drops that your sister could make with eyes closed, taking plays off, batting the ball up into the air causing drive/game killing drives. His incestant whining about not getting the ball, yelling at oline [why Joe Thomas didn't punk his ass I'll never know], locker room cancer, etc...)
Kind of like the debate Mike & Mike had this morning. Question was "who would you rather have, Randy Moss or Terrell Owens?" Both said Owens. They both agreed that Moss might be the most physically gifted athlete they've ever seen but TO, even though he's a diva, goes across the middle for passes, works his ass off in practice and you KNOW that he will show up on game day. Never know which Randy Moss will show up.

Sure, Braylon is flashier and more of a "highlight reel" type guy than KJ, but KJ catches the ball and moves the chains. Plus KJ was pretty much THE only option in the Browns offense when he played so he likely garned more attention. In Johnson's best year (2001) he had 1097 yards receiving. Next on the team was "Dropsey" Morgan with 432. Braylon's best year (2007) he had 1289 yards, Winslow had 1106 and Joe J had 614. Braylon wasn't likely getting as much attention, in coverage, with those other weapons.
Aug 2, 2011 8:38am
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Aug 2, 2011 8:38 AM
Hb31187;849130 wrote:And still the best WR you've had in the past decade, piece of shit or not.

You guys are just like him, taking digs at him like he does at Cleveland every chance he gets lol


Oh well, im sure there will be some funny responses to this story

C'mon dude. You can't argue the guy is kind of a dick.
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Aug 2, 2011 8:40 AM
WebFire;849418 wrote:C'mon dude. You can't argue the guy is kind of a dick.

Straight from a Michigan supporter too.
Aug 2, 2011 8:40am
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Aug 2, 2011 8:44 AM
BR1986FB;849417 wrote:Sure, Braylon is flashier and more of a "highlight reel" type guy than KJ, but KJ catches the ball and moves the chains. Plus KJ was pretty much THE only option in the Browns offense when he played so he likely garned more attention. In Johnson's best year (2001) he had 1097 yards receiving. Next on the team was "Dropsey" Morgan with 432. Braylon's best year (2007) he had 1289 yards, Winslow had 1106 and Joe J had 614. Braylon wasn't likely getting as much attention, in coverage, with those other weapons.
Thats an interesting point about KJ, I honestly have never even thought about that before.
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Aug 2, 2011 8:52 AM
Commander of Awesome;849426 wrote:Thats an interesting point about KJ, I honestly have never even thought about that before.

Not to mention the shitty RB's the Browns had back then vs Jamal Lewis in 2007 (very good year). At least the 2007 team had a running game to keep the D honest. Tim Couch didn't have that luxury. KJ was the main weapon in that offense.
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Aug 2, 2011 8:52 AM
BR1986FB;849420 wrote:Straight from a Michigan supporter too.

And he had dropsies at Michigan too. He was one of the most frustrating players to ever watch at Michigan.
Aug 2, 2011 8:52am
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Aug 2, 2011 9:05 AM
BR1986FB;849429 wrote:Not to mention the shitty RB's the Browns had back then vs Jamal Lewis in 2007 (very good year). At least the 2007 team had a running game to keep the D honest. Tim Couch didn't have that luxury. KJ was the main weapon in that offense.

Or the Oline. 2007 Oline was FAAAAR better than the paper bag in front of Couch.
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Aug 2, 2011 9:16 AM
Commander of Awesome;849440 wrote:Or the Oline. 2007 Oline was FAAAAR better than the paper bag in front of Couch.

I'm just strictly talking weapons. Couch didn't have any real options besides KJ. For as bad as everyone thinks "Timmay" was, put him on that 2007 team and he throws for at least 4000 yards and 30 TD's. Anderception left a shitload of points on the field.
Aug 2, 2011 9:16am
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Aug 2, 2011 10:07 AM
No worries.

Any new charges against him will be dropped.
Aug 2, 2011 10:07am
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Aug 2, 2011 10:21 AM
lol gotta love when people get their panties a bunch over a player because of some highlights. The fact that KJ v.s. Braylon is even a debate says enough to me about Braylon.
Aug 2, 2011 10:21am
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Aug 2, 2011 12:44 PM
lol. gotta love when people discredit the talent level of a player just because they don't like him.
Aug 2, 2011 12:44pm
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Aug 2, 2011 12:48 PM
lol, gotta love when people don't have any facts to back up their arguments so they just assume anyone critical of their guy is a "hater". Always the best cop out!
Aug 2, 2011 12:48pm
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Aug 2, 2011 12:49 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;849655 wrote:lol, gotta love when people don't have any facts to back up their arguments so they just assume anyone critical of their guy is a "hater". Always the best cop out!

lol pwned.
Aug 2, 2011 12:49pm
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Aug 2, 2011 12:51 PM
My assessment of Braylon is that he's a pretty good #2 receiver (as he showed in NY next to Santonio), but if he's your #1 receiver you're in trouble...
Aug 2, 2011 12:51pm
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Aug 2, 2011 12:52 PM
Terry_Tate;849299 wrote:"Kevin Johnson with the Browns: 3836 Yds, 23 tds and actually caught the ball

Braylon with the Browns: 2812 Yds, 28 tds, and more drops in a season than KJ had in his 5 years with the Browns."

Major mathfail there.

Braylon: 62 games, 238 catches, 3,697 yards, 28 td

Johnson: 73 games, 315 catches, 3,836 yards, 23 td

A lot closer with the real stats. I'd still take Braylon even with the drops.
Right there. Johnson had more games, more catches, and still only managed 139 more yards and 5 less TD's. So Edwards dropped some passes, it happens. I'd say it's at least debatable.
Aug 2, 2011 12:52pm
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Aug 2, 2011 12:55 PM
BR1986FB;849417 wrote:Kind of like the debate Mike & Mike had this morning. Question was "who would you rather have, Randy Moss or Terrell Owens?" Both said Owens. They both agreed that Moss might be the most physically gifted athlete they've ever seen but TO, even though he's a diva, goes across the middle for passes, works his ass off in practice and you KNOW that he will show up on game day. Never know which Randy Moss will show up.

Sure, Braylon is flashier and more of a "highlight reel" type guy than KJ, but KJ catches the ball and moves the chains. Plus KJ was pretty much THE only option in the Browns offense when he played so he likely garned more attention. In Johnson's best year (2001) he had 1097 yards receiving. Next on the team was "Dropsey" Morgan with 432. Braylon's best year (2007) he had 1289 yards, Winslow had 1106 and Joe J had 614. Braylon wasn't likely getting as much attention, in coverage, with those other weapons.

Right there, Johnson had a worse team around him causing him to be the defense's focal point in every game he played as a Brown. Everything about the offense surrounding KJ was worse than the offense surrounding Braylon. Also I don't recall Johnson ever leading the league in drops. Sorry, but I'm taking the more reliable receiver every time. Nothing was more frustrating that watching the ball go up to a wide open Braylon and clank off his hands to kill the momentum in its tracks. I've seen plenty of film on both guys and would rather have KJ, but both are good #2's.

There's a reason no team has signed Braylon yet...
Aug 2, 2011 12:55pm
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Aug 2, 2011 1:01 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;849664 wrote:Right there, Johnson had a worse team around him causing him to be the defense's focal point in every game he played as a Brown. Everything about the offense surrounding KJ was worse than the offense surrounding Braylon. Also I don't recall Johnson ever leading the league in drops. Sorry, but I'm taking the more reliable receiver every time. Nothing was more frustrating that watching the ball go up to a wide open Braylon and clank off his hands to kill the momentum in its tracks. I've seen plenty of film on both guys and would rather have KJ, but both are good #2's.

There's a reason no team has signed Braylon yet...
Probably because he's a ginormous doucher. You said it yourself, "both are good #2's". I don't believe i've ever stated that Braylon was head and shoulders above Johnson or anything like that. Simply that given the two, I would take Braylon. I did say that I thought Braylon was better, but i'm not saying it isn't debatable.
Aug 2, 2011 1:01pm
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Aug 2, 2011 1:08 PM
Jester;849668 wrote:Probably because he's a ginormous doucher. You said it yourself, "both are good #2's". I don't believe i've ever stated that Braylon was head and shoulders above Johnson or anything like that. Simply that given the two, I would take Braylon.

And that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. I would take KJ, and because I would take KJ that doesn't mean that I "hate Braylon". You see where your fallacy is? People who would rather take KJ aren't just "haters", there are reasons for it that are backed by stats and arguments.
Aug 2, 2011 1:08pm
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Aug 2, 2011 1:14 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;849673 wrote:And that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. I would take KJ, and because I would take KJ that doesn't mean that I "hate Braylon". You see where your fallacy is? People who would rather take KJ aren't just "haters", there are reasons for it that are backed by stats and arguments.
I don't believe I singled you out as an Edwards "hater". It is clear though that some people on this board severely dislike them, and who can blame him? The guy is a pretty big piece of shit, but the talent level is still there. If you're going by stats, neither has a clear advantage, yet somehow it's not even debatable? Don't quite get that.
Aug 2, 2011 1:14pm
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Aug 2, 2011 1:31 PM
Jester;849678 wrote:I don't believe I singled you out as an Edwards "hater". It is clear though that some people on this board severely dislike them, and who can blame him? The guy is a pretty big piece of shit, but the talent level is still there. If you're going by stats, neither has a clear advantage, yet somehow it's not even debatable? Don't quite get that.

I hope you are not referring to me, because I never said it was "not even debatable." I said the fact a KJ v.s. Braylon argument is debatable says a lot.
Aug 2, 2011 1:31pm
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Aug 2, 2011 3:51 PM
It was more a generalization than a direct quote from someone. A case can be made for either player, yet some seem to act as if taking Edwards is insane.
Aug 2, 2011 3:51pm