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Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM
You guys need to forget about prospects...its not like you'll never have one again lol you just got a stud pitcher for 2,5 years and you're worried about AAA players???
Jul 31, 2011 11:05am
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Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM
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Sources familiar w Ubaldo trade keep cautioning us not to say it's "done." That physical today is still a big deal. #trades
Arm problems maybe........
Jul 31, 2011 11:40am
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Jul 31, 2011 11:42 AM
SportsAndLady;847317 wrote:You guys need to forget about prospects...its not like you'll never have one again lol you just got a stud pitcher for 2,5 years and you're worried about AAA players???

It might hurt that AAA dynasty the tribe has been building :)
Jul 31, 2011 11:42am
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Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM
wes_mantooth;847335 wrote:Arm problems maybe........

This is what I've been thinking and hoping.
Jul 31, 2011 12:04pm
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Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM
Al Bundy;847312 wrote:The are only a 1.5 games out. You add a guy who should get around 12 starts the rest of year and is signed for two more years for unproven players. If they don't win the division the next couple years and Pom and White go on to be studs, then we made a bad trade. Most prospects never make. Look at the "can't miss prospects" that were hyped up during the last decade for the tribe. Most of them do nothing at the major league level.

Yup.

www.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Arh8WKNVAuTCviXg73UfGrs5nYcB?slug=jp-passan_indians_rockies_jimenez_prospects_073111

Now time to sit back and wait for an entertaining counter argument.
Jul 31, 2011 12:59pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:15 PM
Donald called up to replace OC and starting at 3rd base.
Jul 31, 2011 1:15pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:17 PM
Ludwick deal is close or inevitable lol.
Jul 31, 2011 1:17pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM
devil1197;847383 wrote:Ludwick deal is close or inevitable lol.

Who are they giving up?

I'm afraid to here who it is....
Jul 31, 2011 1:24pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM
No names yet.
Jul 31, 2011 1:28pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:49 PM
Again, I'm not going to bitch about giving up prospects who may or may not live up to the hype.. Alex Miller made 3 starts and hasn't played since. Adam Miller?

Jaret Wright? We all heard about how good Jeremy Guthrie and Jeremy Sowers would be...

Drew Pomeranz is an unkown. Sure, he's dominating low minor league level guys, but who knows how well his arm will hold up? Who knows what he'll do in the bigs?

I'm tired of banking on next year. I'm tired of building for the future... Who knows when we'll be 1.5 games out of 1st in late July again? Winning seasons aren't guaranteed. The Tribe FO saw an opportunity to get better THIS year and NEXT and they took it.

You make the playoffs and you throw Jiminez/Masterson/Tomlin out there and ANYTHING can happen.
Jul 31, 2011 1:49pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:57 PM
You make some good points. But you're also banking on Jimenez coming in and being the pitcher he was in the 1st half of last season.
Jul 31, 2011 1:57pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM
royal_k;847411 wrote:You make some good points. But you're also banking on Jimenez coming in and being the pitcher he was in the 1st half of last season.

I don't expect that, his numbers were filthy and some of the best pitchers in the league currently aren't putting up those numbers.

But he is a sure fire upgrade to our rotation.
Jul 31, 2011 1:58pm
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Jul 31, 2011 1:58 PM
royal_k;847411 wrote:You make some good points. But you're also banking on Jimenez coming in and being the pitcher he was in the 1st half of last season.

I posted his stats since June 1st. He's made 10 starts going 6-4 with a 3.1 ERA (2.something on the road)

I don't count his start yesterday. He went to the mound with his mind on where he was going and a guy warming up in the bullpen behind him.
Jul 31, 2011 1:58pm
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Jul 31, 2011 2:05 PM
I can't argue that he is an upgrade, because he definitely is.

And his stats for the last couple of months show he's coming back.

I just have a problem with what we gave up.
Jul 31, 2011 2:05pm
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Jul 31, 2011 2:25 PM
You gotta give up good prospects to get an ace-quality pitcher...I mean what the hell did u guys expect? You asked for the FO to make a move and they did...you're not gonna get a "pau gasol" type trade
Jul 31, 2011 2:25pm
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Jul 31, 2011 2:47 PM
SportsAndLady;847443 wrote:You gotta give up good prospects to get an ace-quality pitcher...I mean what the hell did u guys expect? You asked for the FO to make a move and they did...you're not gonna get a "pau gasol" type trade

I was watching "All Bets are Off" yesterday and an Indians fan wondered why they couldnt trade for Pence. Two of the names he thought might get it done were Sizemore and Luis Valbuena. Some people dont understand that you have to give up value to get value
Jul 31, 2011 2:47pm
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Jul 31, 2011 3:13 PM
Other reports say that Wandy Rodriguez is being talked to now, as well as ludwick.
Jul 31, 2011 3:13pm
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Jul 31, 2011 3:19 PM
Other reports say that Wandy Rodriguez is being talked to now, as well as ludwick.
Wow if they could get Wandy too? That would be great for the franchise. I'd be calling that GM too after some of the stuff I've been hearing on espn. Olney was basically saying they got their pants taken down in both the Bourn and Pence trades
Jul 31, 2011 3:19pm
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Jul 31, 2011 3:21 PM
Reports now that Wandy deal has cooled off. Astros not confident in moving him by 4pm, but he could be traded in August since he'd clear waivers with his hefty contract.
Jul 31, 2011 3:21pm
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Jul 31, 2011 3:32 PM
He has passed his physical and the deal is set.
Jul 31, 2011 3:32pm
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Jul 31, 2011 5:06 PM
SportsAndLady;847443 wrote:You gotta give up good prospects to get an ace-quality pitcher...I mean what the hell did u guys expect? You asked for the FO to make a move and they did...you're not gonna get a "pau gasol" type trade

We gave up more than anyone gave us for CC or Lee (I know CC was only a half year). Both are way better than Ubaldo, and were way more proven.
Jul 31, 2011 5:06pm
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Jul 31, 2011 5:08 PM
Laley23;847671 wrote:We gave up more than anyone gave us for CC or Lee (I know CC was only a half year). Both are way better than Ubaldo, and were way more proven.

You just said CC was half a year so you can't compare those two...Lee I could be wrong but didn't he pitch just 1 good year? Ubaldo has pitched 3 or 4 solid seasons
Jul 31, 2011 5:08pm
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Jul 31, 2011 5:26 PM
SportsAndLady;847673 wrote:You just said CC was half a year so you can't compare those two...Lee I could be wrong but didn't he pitch just 1 good year? Ubaldo has pitched 3 or 4 solid seasons

Lee won 18 games and was 4th in the CYA in his second season in the bigs. His only bad year was 2007.

While you cant compare CC, he is a much better pitcher than Ubaldo. Like I said, I dont mind the trade, I think it drastically improves this team. I just think we gave up way more than we needed to.

My biggest beef is with the FO getting a fucking pitcher, when we need a bat like no ones business. We arent gonna do shit with 5 Walter Johnsons until we can get more than 5 runs in a series versus the fucking Royals.
Jul 31, 2011 5:26pm
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Jul 31, 2011 5:30 PM
SportsAndLady;847673 wrote:You just said CC was half a year so you can't compare those two...Lee I could be wrong but didn't he pitch just 1 good year? Ubaldo has pitched 3 or 4 solid seasons

Lee won 18 games and was 4th in the CYA in his second season in the bigs. His only bad year was 2007.

While you cant compare CC, he is a much better pitcher than Ubaldo. Like I said, I dont mind the trade, I think it drastically improves this team. I just think we gave up way more than we needed to.

My biggest beef is with the FO getting a fucking pitcher, when we need a bat like no ones business. We arent gonna do shit with 5 Walter Johnsons until we can get more than 5 runs in a series versus the fucking Royals.
Jul 31, 2011 5:30pm
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Jul 31, 2011 7:03 PM
hoops23;847405 wrote:...
I'm tired of banking on next year. I'm tired of building for the future... Who knows when we'll be 1.5 games out of 1st in late July again? Winning seasons aren't guaranteed. The Tribe FO saw an opportunity to get better THIS year and NEXT and they took it.

You make the playoffs and you throw Jiminez/Masterson/Tomlin out there and ANYTHING can happen.
Being 1.5 games out is irrelevant. The team doesn't have the talent to contend for a championship. If "anything can happen" then it can happen with the people you have. The moves this team made do not give them a much better chance at winning a championship.
Jul 31, 2011 7:03pm