jmog;865043 wrote:You can't be serious with this BS...

He isn't, I've lived with this for 10 years. Some folks just want to make themselves more influential than necessary, or even relevant.

I'm sorry but I'm with whoever on here who said that gay marriage shouldn't even be involved in Washington politics. I'm tired of everyone being a victim. If anyone bases their vote on whether or not a candidate is for or against gay marriage then they really shouldn't be able to vote. Well especially in the 2012 election. We have much bigger fish to fry than gay marriage. I mean no disrespect to gay people as I don't care who is gay but come on.

Like I said before Fairwood if you are so fed up with how you are treated in the U.S. then Canada is just a short trip for you.

bigdaddy2003;865463 wrote:
Like I said before Fairwood if you are so fed up with how you are treated in the U.S. then Canada is just a short trip for you.

You said something that stupid multiple times?

queencitybuckeye;865474 wrote:You said something that stupid multiple times?

Well it's not stupid but thanks for the opinion. I get tired of hearing about how bad a certain group of people get treated in America. I'm waiting to hear why you feel it's stupid since you are obviously more enlightened than me.

Bigdogg;865070 wrote:Here is one thing that Michelle is good at.

Looks like Bachmann's husband is a lucky man. No wonder he is trying to straighten out the gays.

FairwoodKing;864169 wrote:Most of us gays are not responsible for the overpopulation of this planet. By not having children, we are doing the universe a favor. The real dysfunctional people are the parents who have ten kids and think they're doing something good for Jesus.

FairwoodKing;864350 wrote:I'm not going to help ruin the planet by having ten kids. I'm sure the planet likes me more than it likes you.

This is the best you have? LOL

majorspark;865642 wrote:Looks like Bachmann's husband is a lucky man. No wonder he is trying to straighten out the gays.

Something major and I can agree on!

bigdaddy2003;865565 wrote:Well it's not stupid but thanks for the opinion. I get tired of hearing about how bad a certain group of people get treated in America. I'm waiting to hear why you feel it's stupid since you are obviously more enlightened than me.

It's stupid because as an American, one has the right to make any issue his or her primary concern. Personally, I think gay rights, abortion, and a whole bunch of other issues are not the hill to die on, but I would never tell anyone that they should leave the country if they choose to do so.

dwccrew;866216 wrote:This is the best you have? LOL

I've struggled to keep up with his comments to determine whether he is (i) an anti-gay troll or (ii) legitimately gay, and way off of center as far as viewpoints go. I grow weary even following his posts. In this economy, no one cares about who does what to who in the bedroom other than people trying to capitalize on a fake political agenda. No one cares that Fairwoodking is gay (assuming he is).

queencitybuckeye;866276 wrote:It's stupid because as an American, one has the right to make any issue his or her primary concern. Personally, I think gay rights, abortion, and a whole bunch of other issues are not the hill to die on, but I would never tell anyone that they should leave the country if they choose to do so.

Understood. I guess I just get tired of hearing how bad people think they get treated in this country.

bigdaddy2003;866314 wrote:Understood. I guess I just get tired of hearing how bad people think they get treated in this country.

Some do although it continues to improve, which leads to such nonsense as pasty white males claiming the be the new put-upon minority.

queencitybuckeye;866324 wrote:Some do although it continues to improve, which leads to such nonsense as pasty white males claiming the be the new put-upon minority.

What do you mean the new put-upon minority?

bigdaddy2003;866417 wrote:What do you mean the new put-upon minority?

Basically, there are people who claim that white people (males in particular) are now the most discriminated-against group of people. It's nonsense, but interesting in that when others claim discrimination, they're told to quit bitching, but when discrimination (real or (mostly) perceived) shows up on their doorstep, the wailing is deafening.

queencitybuckeye;866434 wrote:Basically, there are people who claim that white people (males in particular) are now the most discriminated-against group of people. It's nonsense, but interesting in that when others claim discrimination, they're told to quit bitching, but when discrimination (real or (mostly) perceived) shows up on their doorstep, the wailing is deafening.

Well I personally don't believe anyone gets treated that bad in America these days but that is just me. We can have different opinions though. That is one of the best things about the country. Thanks for explaining what you meant.

Manhattan Buckeye;866293 wrote:I've struggled to keep up with his comments to determine whether he is (i) an anti-gay troll or (ii) legitimately gay, and way off of center as far as viewpoints go. I grow weary even following his posts. In this economy, no one cares about who does what to who in the bedroom other than people trying to capitalize on a fake political agenda. No one cares that Fairwoodking is gay (assuming he is).

I am gay and I am not as far off center as you might think. I remember how hard it was for me to come out of the closet, and I only wish to make things better so today's young gays and lesbians don't have to experience what I went through.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm

2kool4skool;867212 wrote:http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm

So why did you post this?

bigdaddy2003;867344 wrote:So why did you post this?

You can feel free to comment however you'd like. Don't let me tell you how to post.

2kool4skool;868078 wrote:You can feel free to comment however you'd like. Don't let me tell you how to post.

I was just curious man.

I had forgotten why I was keeping out of the Politics forum. Now I remember.

Alright. Here goes.

majorspark;838644 wrote:So let me get this straight.

Irony. Great way to kick things off.

FairwoodKing;839060 wrote:Charging them for prayer should be a crime. Any gay who is that distraught over being gay should see a priest, not this quack. But even a priest can't help.

There are those who consider themselves to be formerly gay who would disagree with you. Would you purport that you know better than they do about themselves?

FairwoodKing;839081 wrote:My own coming out was very difficult. I discovered what I was when I was 18 years old. From then until I was 30 I did everything in my power to become straight except go to someone for help. I was so inhibited that I was terrified at the thought of telling anyone. When I turned 30 I finally came to the realization that being gay was the natural thing for me and I accepted it. I might also add that I became very angry with religion for putting me in this situation. After I accepted my homosexuality and rejected religion, I felt a great deal better. I am now 63 and am no longer sexually active, but I still consider myself to be gay and I most definitely am an atheist. I only regret that I didn't come out when I was 18. I wasted the best part of my youth because of a religion that doesn't want me.

I truly do grieve for people who struggle so with who they are. However, rejecting a God that loves you because of a group of oft-misguided fuck-ups who happen to say they follow him might be even more sad.

You may not believe in him, FairwoodKing, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise in this post, but he loves you all the same, regardless of anything about you.

coyotes22;839156 wrote:Yes, being a f ag is a fact. And I guess you will see how real Jesus is, when he throws your ass in the lake of fire.

I was going to spend a long, long time on this post (for me to say long, it means reeeeally long), but you later apologized, and forgiveness doesn't hold the past against someone.

FairwoodKing;839161 wrote:What my penis does in the presence of hot men is something I can't control. When I was young I tried to control it but it didn't work.

Wait, so sex was an involuntary bodily function?

Why didn't Bill Clinton use that? It would have been GENIUS! Far better than the "definition of 'is'" defense.

FairwoodKing;839167 wrote:When the treatment doesn't work (which it never does) ...

Once again, this has innumerable defeater examples, and as such, it is indeed false.

FairwoodKing;839175 wrote:There is one difference. There are all kinds of scientific studies that show that homosexuality is a normal thing for those it encompasses.

To be fair, most of those studies are actually far from conclusive. If anything, the most accurate, most resolute studies have shown a predisposition to becoming gay, but not an inevitable characteristic, genetically. The study of separated identical twins would be an ideal example, where in only 42% of cases where one is gay, the other is also gay.

42% is far too low to suggest that it is a genetic inevitability for the other identical twin, but it is far too high to suggest that it is purely a choice. The answer lies somewhere in between, the evidence suggests.

FairwoodKing;839167 wrote:You are a Christian because you want to be.

I believe nothing purely because I want to. Anything I believe is believed because I have been persuaded or convinced that it is true.

coyotes22;839307 wrote:God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

I will PayPal you $100 if you find this quote in the Bible.

FairwoodKing;839317 wrote:If you're ever in Seattle in December, give me a call. You can attend one of our concerts as my guest. Then you will see why so many straight people attend.

I would love to hear. I have a great fondness for music, and I would genuinely love to hear such a highly-touted choir.

FairwoodKing;839314 wrote:We are as natural in the great scheme of things as your Adam and Eve.

A basic syllogism would reveal that your statement suggests that you believe gay people are unnatural. I'm guessing it was merely stated poorly.

coyotes22;839369 wrote:Me stating something in the bible, is judging?

Seriously, show it to me. $100.

FairwoodKing;839374 wrote:That is how Bachmann's husband treats it. For him it is a sickness that needs to be cured. In reality, if you're gay, you're gay. That's the way it's supposed to be.

I don't know. Physical attraction enters a dangerous realm in this specific discussion. Those who would suggest that they, themselves, are predisposed to an age group much younger than themselves will use much of the same language.

Obviously, I do not suggest that they are, or should be, equally permissible under the law (one involves two consenting adults ... one does not). However, the argument used for why one is the way one is can be used in both cases. What is sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.

FairwoodKing;839449 wrote:Now you know as well as I do that most gay people in the United States cannot marry their person of choice.

Correct, but the "person of choice" isn't the issue. Technically, all men have the same right. Some would choose that right either way. Others do not choose that right at all.

But my views on gay marriage and the lack of legalization being discriminatory are a whole new can of worms that are too much for this thread.

FairwoodKing;839449 wrote:The treatment always fails ...

Seriously, there are living, breathing examples of this being a false statement.

jhay78;839453 wrote:It should be clarified that, biblically, it is not a sin to "be gay". But it is a sin (biblically) to engage in homosexual sex, in the same way that it's a sin to engage in premarital sex, or adulturous sex, etc.

Christians who say or do hateful things toward gays are not Christ-like at all. Fairwood, I think you're unfairly directing your anger at Jesus Christ (calling him a fraud), when in fact the hurt you've experienced has been at the hands of sinful human beings.

I don't have time to cite statistics, but PFOX (Parents and Friends of Ex Gays) and Exodus International are two ministries that have influenced thousands of homosexuals to leave the gay lifestyle.

I wouldn't worry about a potential President Bachmann instituting far-reaching policies against gays. It took President Clinton and a majority in both Houses to enact DADT. How she and her husband handle their ministry is far different from how a President goes about accomplishing a political agenda.

I pretty much agree with all of these, factually when stated as such, and otherwise when not.

coyotes22;839469 wrote:OMG, i dont hate homo's. But anyone that goes through life, thinking there is no God, will have their butt thrown in hell when their time comes. If thats hate speech, then so be it.

Remember, coyote, that we are commanded to "speak the truth," but that we are equally commanded to do so "in love."

FairwoodKing;839492 wrote:You respond to me because I have lived a gay lifestyle and I know what I'm talking about. Trust me, I am not the only gay person who is concerned about Bachmann's husband. The gay community has been very much up in arms ever since the story broke on ABC.

You're actually not the only gay person on this forum, either, or at least not the only member of the LGBT community.

I am curious about your idea of a "gay lifestyle." If you are really no different from me, why must your entire lifestyle have a qualifier like that?

fish82;839596 wrote:If this is true, said employee should be living on an island somewhere, sipping umbrella drinks, and living off the interest from his settlement.

Until recently, it has not been a protected class.

FairwoodKing;839828 wrote:I don't even have sex any more and yet I live a gay lifestyle. I sing with Seattle Men's Chorus that has the biggest gay agenda of any organization in the Pacific NW. I participate in AIDS fundraisers. I have contributed financially to the "It Gets Better" program. I march in Gay Pride Parades and have done so as far away as Sydney, Australia. I do all of this because I'm trying to help the next generation of GLBT people.

GLBT? You mean LGBT?

derek bomar;840380 wrote:Bachman's husband is actually a gay himself

coyotes22;840562 wrote:I need to get something off my chest. I have been thinking about my actions through words, the last couple days.

I would like to issue an official apology to people on this thread. Im not doing this for attention, Im doing this, because I know the venom of my words. I let emotions get the best of me, and I violated my trust and credibility on here. I also know that I jeopardized my Faith, and those that share my Faith. My words I chose, not wisely I may add, were those of MY opinion, and not the opinion of people of my same Faith.

First- To FWK- I apologize for my lack of reasonable thinking, and debate. I allowed my head to speak, and not my heart. I allowed my emotions to overtake my fingers, and the words that I typed were not pleasant, nor constructive. To call someone out, like I did on the internet, was spineless and childish. For that, Im sorry. My intentions were not to offend, but, my actions led otherwise. I hope you can find room to forgive me, but, I also understand it is something that will happen with time, not an overnight decision.

Second- To those of whom I share a common Faith in- I apologize for my outburst. It was not God like in thinking or action, and I have thought about my choice of words. As someone said, it is people like me, that give the Christian Faith an already bad name, and for that I humbly am apathetic about.

To those in this thread that I may have offended, I truly am sorry. I have learned from this, and will be taking further precautions in the future, to make sure it does not happen again. I cant take back what I said, as it is on here in print, but, can only hope that I can be forgiven.

This is the true attitude of a Christian, and even the very message of salvation: that we are not perfect, and that we are in constant need of forgiveness.

FairwoodKing;840759 wrote:Thank you, Coyotes. I accept your apology. When I posted this thread, I wanted to see what points of view would be given. I got more than I bargained for. Oh, well, it is a controversial subject and I should have expected this.

This has a more Christ-like tone than you probably realize.

Thread Bomber;841018 wrote:I thought you tea baggin righties wanted the government the hell out of your personal affairs?

Don't you dare associate the "righties" as an adjective of Tea Partiers. The left wants the government out of their civil lives as much as the right wants the government out of their wallets.

FairwoodKing;843387 wrote:Yes, I follow this guy. And I wouldn't cry any tears if all Repubs were dead.

This attitude is terrible. There are good, loving Republicans in the world. I would think that at age 63, you would have realized that by now.

FairwoodKing;843416 wrote:Republicans have never done me any favors. I'll be kind and say they should all convert to be Democrats.

Such blind, blanketing partisanship. It makes me sad to know that there is such hatred as this between the parties that, any more, aren't as different as they would like to believe.

gut;843540 wrote:I agree with you, but after the last 10 years I've had to throw the Republican party into that mix, too.

This.

FairwoodKing;843620 wrote:Chill out. I was just joking. But I was serious about not liking Republicans. They have never done me any favors.

A gay person has never done me a favor. Does that mean I should not like them? An Inuit person has never done me any favors. Should I not like them?

Political affiliation makes you no more or less a good person than anything else.

jhay78;844145 wrote:Republicans get the blame to the extent that they have acted like Democrats.

You sound like Ron Paul.

FairwoodKing;864169 wrote:The real dysfunctional people are the parents who have ten kids and think they're doing something good for Jesus.

I actually know a few of these, and I really can't stand their ideology on the subject.

bigdaddy2003;868135 wrote:I was just curious man.

Freudian slip, given the nature of this topic?

Awe man, I didn't get quoted in O-Trap's quote bomb?

jmog;868250 wrote:Awe man, I didn't get quoted in O-Trap's quote bomb?

You were, but I was tired, so I cut some quotes out.

You know it's ridiculous when you get the error telling you that your post is more than 10,000 characters, and that you need to break it up.

Every time I try to multi-quote stuff like that (more than 2 or 3 quotes) my cursor goes haywire and I get frustrated and give up.

BTW, welcome back O-Trap, don't be such a stranger.

I may or may not. You people exhaust me here.

I get enough of politics at work (I work primarily with Jay Sekulow and the ACLJ as my main client at work). I tend to shy away at home.